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Bloodied Blade · Jun 24, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

I would say bring triple chop simply because as @SnipiousMax stated, things just don't live long enough for the deep wound to matter.

As for bringing skills to support yourself...If you must, try using prot skills (Shielding Hands my friend loves) ?

I'm actually considering making a warrior pretty soon too... Good luck with yours.

Katari · Jun 24, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade

I would say bring triple chop simply because as @SnipiousMax stated, things just don't live long enough for the deep wound to matter.

Deep Wound *is* damage. It is a *lot* of damage, Things that take a deep wound to the face don't live long because deep wound hurts.

I don't see why that's a reason not to take it in PvE. Just run triple chop+dismember.

Kool Pajamas · Jun 24, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Enemies die so fast in pve that deep wound really does not matter. You need to go more aoe. Deep wound only reduces the max health. If your enemy is already below max health then the deep wound matters even less.

Katari · Jun 24, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Enemies die so fast in pve that deep wound really does not matter. You need to go more aoe. Deep wound only reduces the max health. If your enemy is already below max health then the deep wound matters even less.

Not true, not true at all.

Anything that effects max health will effect current health. If you take off a fortitude mod, you'll loose 30 currrent HP, reguardless. If a mob is hit by a deep wound they loose 20% max hp, as well as current hp equal to 20% max hp.

A target with 500 max hp will be reduced to 400 max hp, and will loose 100 current hp. Use Disember or Evicerate on axe warriors. Deep wound is good.

Pupu · Jun 24, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

cleave is like quivering blade, highly spammable and you can dish out some serious damage with a +adrenline shout or stance e.g bezerkers, id take dismember+cleave

best of both worlds

tryptamine_xxp · Jun 24, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

usually when i go to fow i take cleave-executioner-penetrating-dismember. that gives alot of damage if using a furious axe. unfortunantly i cant talk about triple chop cause i dont have factions

. but since its eviscerate vs cleave id say : ask the other warriors if they got eviscerate and if they do take cleave and dismember or interupt :P i prefer extra deep wound for dual monk groups. but i guess its matter of your build and personal choice > eviscerate is executioner and dismember in one skill. cleave is a spammable attack witch can make long and effective combos cause its 4 adrenaline charge --- im with the cleave school :P

Don Zardeone · Jun 24, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Cleave vs eviscerate in pve?

I don't know which game you guys are playing but Eviscerate isn't spammable enough and once a target is already deep wounded, hitting it again (if it still lives) will be a waste of a perfectly good deep wound.

I changed to triple chop the first day I got it and never changed back for PvE.. except for one time when my team told me to for Urgoz's Warren. During the entire mission I wished I had picked triple chop because the eviscerate did like no damage at all.

Sure, it cuts off 100+hp aswell as doing 42 damage at 16 axe.. But by the time your skill is halfway charged, the target will already be dead.
And if you try to save your adrenaline by moving to the next mob, everybody leaves because you're "rushing".

Order of importance for PvEEE:
1. Triple chop
2. Whirling axe (if you really really need a massive DPS improvement. If you don't have triple chop, this is an ok alternative... seriously it is.. don't give me that look -_-)
2. Cleave (intentionally sharing second position)
3. Eviscerate (doesn't get used enough to be good)

He asked for PvE, PvP on the other hand, if you bring triple chop there.. it better be a joke build.

ubermancer · Jun 24, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by jummeth

Since when did W/Mo = durable?

All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N

But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense.

Pity, I must be a noob for solo farming Fissure with my whammo.

Green Dragonhunter · Jun 25, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I would say that axe elites are good depending on the situation

Niosisw · Jun 25, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

You really need to just ask yourself if it's right for you.

Everyone here says EVISCERATE!!! TEH UBAR DMG!!! DEEP WOUND FTW!!!

That's great, one target, 8 adrenaline, elite. To me, when I use eviscerate on a nearly dead target, I feel like I just lost my first born child.

For me, I like spammable elites.

Ex: I love hundred blades, I love SS, I love cleave(pve), BUT THATS ME.

You really just have to ask yourself.

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Originally Posted by ubermancer

Pity, I must be a noob for solo farming Fissure with my whammo.

Unless you mean anything but spiders, solo farming fissure doesn't make you not a noob.

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Sure, it cuts off 100+hp aswell as doing 42 damage at 16 axe.. But by the time your skill is halfway charged, the target will already be dead.

Order of importance for PvEEE:
1. Triple chop
2. Whirling axe (if you really really need a massive DPS improvement. If you don't have triple chop, this is an ok alternative... seriously it is.. don't give me that look -_-)
2. Cleave (intentionally sharing second position)
3. Eviscerate (doesn't get used enough to be good)

Again, he agrees, Spammability FTW

Stovaa · Jun 26, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Triple Chop. Damage wise, it's the same as Eviscerate. Only against EVERYONE around you. Also, it does not require adrenaline. 10 second recharge means it's about as frequent as Eviscerate without any attack speed boosts or a furious axe grip. Chances are, you're gonna hit 2 people with it. Which means it's twice as good as Eviscerate for damage, which means it's twice as good as Cleave.

May SEEM like spahetti logic, but it's the truth.

But in PVP, bring something else. I never use axes in PVP, so I can't reccomend anything.

mrlopes · Jun 27, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Until a few days ago i use the normal Eviscerate+.... combo, already got Tripple chop, but i still go with eviscerate, till i decide to give a try to Tripple chop+dismember and cyclone axe and...

Hum nothing more to say my build now is Tripple chop+dismember+cyclone axe+... with a zealous mod axe.

This combo is much better for Factions area (a lot of foe groups) then the eviscerate combo, and i play with eviscerate for around 9 to 10 months, so i know what i'm talking about!

This is my opinion!

Ri3tN · Jun 27, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

So, other then shielding hands , what other skills should use for protecting myself.. or being self-sufficient or whatever ? Should I even use any skills on the monk side?

Effigy · Jun 27, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Ri3tN

So, other then shielding hands , what other skills should use for protecting myself.. or being self-sufficient or whatever ? Should I even use any skills on the monk side?

PvE W/Mo don't need any monk skills other than Rebirth and maybe Mend Ailment, however, W/N with Plague Touch and res sig is generally better. W/Me with resistance stances is even more durable but can't get remove conditions from itself.

As far as which elite is better, I always used Evis/Exe in the past, but I agree with what people are saying here. DW is great, but mobs in PvE die so fast that it really doesn't matter that much. Even if it does do +100 dmg, that only makes the mob die 1-2 seconds faster and you can't repeat it that often anyway. I think I going to have to start using Triple Chop more often now.

buckscrib · Jun 28, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Is there anywhere in Factions to cap Eviscerate?