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Evilsod · Jul 23, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

Um...Ether prodigy?

Um... Touch Ranger? Just because you can doesn't mean it works... I've seen plenty of Touch Rangers in TA, including a group of 4 we beat 3 times in a row. Touch Necros? Yup seen them, utterly useless. Touch Eles? Look if your desperate to play a frigging toucher, USE THE RANGER!
This is PvP we're talking about. I've seen plenty of Mesmers in TA recently. Ranging from E-surge to Anti-warrior to Shutdown. How common do you think Shatter Enchantment is? Moment someone sees you using Ether Prodigy (if they have it) you get Blacked out. When it ends, Shatter Enchantment.

What does the ele have to benefit it?

Large energy pool?
Right well a toucher has 44 energy (typically).
Each skill is 5 energy. So to come even slightly close to combat it the ele needs 132 energy. Factoring in the aditional 1 regen and probably somewhere around 110. Ranger wins.

Now factor in everything you need to do damage.
Windbourne Speed, 1 second, energy cost 10 can be interrupted quite easily by an alert ranger or mesmer.
Dodge/Zojuns Haste, cannot be interrupted, energy cost 2. Same increase in speed. 78% evasion of projectiles. Removed by Wild Strike/Wild Blow, 2 very rare skills in TA/RA. Ranger wins agauin.

Self defence?
Armour of Earth, explained earlier *target walks off laughing* Blinding Flash... where the hell is all this energy coming from? EP isn't that good you know.
Whirling Defences, 21 seconds, 75% evasion, energy cost 4. Again removed by very rare skilsl for RA/TA. Only problem is Irresistable Blow knocks you down. Throw Dirt also for a very long blind. Ranger still wins.

Condition Removal?
Erm... none, not a single Plague Touch in any build listed.
Plague Touch. Ranger wins. Surely your whole team is dead by now since your still crippled and limping after targets with Armour of Earth?.

Armour?
Yeah now your talking... 70AL to elements (cept 1) 60 AL to physical, 0 evasion.
70AL to Physical with lots of evasion 100AL to elements (touchers use Druids so not worth mentioning the others). Ranger wins i believe

Stop trying to play a touch ranger if your not a ranger. Its as bad as those trying to play touch ranger when they don't have both chapters.

It seems half of the builds listed below have been copied directly from Saltspray Dragons... Its true that this spike may work once. Surprise the monk at lower health with Ride the Lightning. If your have any interrupters on your team, guess which ele is been watched? Ever played SS against an interrupter? Moment they know what you do, you never cast it again. Its like a Bunny Thumper. You can recognise them instantly from the pet 9/10 times. If your a good interrupter you'll be aiming to interrupt the Crushing Blow right after Hammer Bash. Predictability is what makes interrupting easy. Watching the timer to check when Ward Against Melee is due for example.

harshateja · Jul 23, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Heres the reason why touch ele would not work (with respect to energy):

Note: This is over the 6 second period for which your initial mana pool will last. This is only an approximation.

At 15 mana per cast, you will be getting around 5 - 6 casts depending on your weapon. A regular elementalist will also be gaining 4 mana every 3 seconds, effectively 1.33 mana a second. Considering 1 second a cast, in those 6 casts, you will have gained 8 mana, just over the needed amount for half a cast - and then you are out.

If you add in ether prodigy, that is 10 mana every 3 seconds, effecively 3.33 mana a second. Considering 1 second a cast, in those 6 casts, you will have gained 20 mana. However, you will have lost 5 due to the cast, leaving you with 15. That is just enough for 1 additional cast - and then you are out.

The reason a touch ranger is able to survive is that even though a ranger will still only be able to get around 5 -6 casts depending on their armor in without regen, their energy management is much more efficient - relatively wise. With every cast of their e-management (Offering of Blood I think it is named), they gain around 18 - 20 energy. That is effectively 4 casts of the skill with the use of a single energy spell. Comparatively, over that same 6 second period, we recieved only a 1 skill cast benefit. They are more energy efficient than us because their energy skills are balanced with respect to their initial cost, and thus are magnified due to the effect of expertise on mana costs.

BTW: The poster above me has it right. Predictability is the achilles heel in most builds, including a touch ranger. I am a water/earth elementalist at heart and the second I see a R/N in AB, the sirens go off and its snare time (I have yet to see a touch ranger kill me.) Following the snare is some coordinated kite tactics. Of course, after killing the touch ranger, I am barraged by a series of "f-ing n00b. Stop acting like a pussy and fight!!!111!!11" Very entertaining.

Evilsod · Jul 23, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by harshateja

BTW: The poster above me has it right. Predictability is the achilles heel in most builds, including a touch ranger. I am a water/earth elementalist at heart and the second I see a R/N in AB, the sirens go off and its snare time (I have yet to see a touch ranger kill me.) Following the snare is some coordinated kite tactics. Of course, after killing the touch ranger, I am barraged by a series of "f-ing n00b. Stop acting like a pussy and fight!!!111!!11" Very entertaining.

You need to visit TA.... its great finding teams of 4 Touch Ranger. We fought 1 group today on the fire pits (with the kill total) then again on the tar pits 20 seconds later. All 4 of them (using Dodge/Zojuns, therefore wasting there best defence against the other rangers in my team and at catching kiters) kamikazeed upto us as we were surrounded by spirits. Up goes 3 traps... Now these trappers are surely getting dumber, only 1 carried Plague Touch (therefore he was the first to be killed). Up goes Whirling Defences, down go them (<3 Irresistable Blow). 4 touchers dead. They revive. Same again. Overall we beat them 10-0 (or was it 10-1). Then we fought them again in the tar pits. They did the EXACT same thing, this time we beat them in 50 seconds since they couldn't auto res.