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zelic · Jan 27, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Having trouble finding a good LoD/infuse build for GvG and HA could any1 provide me with one please?

Thank You

~Zelic~

Epic Monkey Battle · Jan 27, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Personally what i use is:

GvG - Mo/a

Dwaynas Kiss
Light Of Deliverance
Infuse Health
Healing Touch
Sig Of Rejuv/Sig Of Devo
Holy Veil
Dark Escape
Reture

Ha - Mo/Me

Dwaynas Kiss
Light Of Deliverance
Infuse Health
Healing Toch
Heal Other
Healing Seed
Draw/Holy Veil (depending on other monks bar)
Channeling

Burst Cancel · Jan 27, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

GvG - Mo/W:
LoD
Heal Other
Infuse Health
Spirit Bond
Reversal of Fortune
Holy Veil
Shield Bash
Balanced Stance

Malibu Illusion · Jan 27, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

My HA LoD Build:

[Mo/Me]

Infuse Health
Orison of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Light of Deliverance {E}
Holy Veil/Draw Conditions/Dismiss Condition
Healing Seed
Healing Touch
Channeling

Skuld · Jan 27, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

GvG - Mo/W:
LoD
Heal Other
Infuse Health
Spirit Bond
Reversal of Fortune
Holy Veil
Shield Bash
Balanced Stance

Heh, three-10 energy spells and no e-managment?

Age · Jan 27, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Heh, three-10 energy spells and no e-managment?

It is similiar to this oneMo/W Lod Infuser GvGWhen you use shield bash you can gian energy back way faster than useing any type of e- management.Then switch to your staff or wand to get more.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 27, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Huh? Shield Bash doesn't give you energy... [skill]Shield Bash[/skill]

Age · Jan 27, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Huh? Shield Bash doesn't give you energy... [skill]Shield Bash[/skill]

When I use shield bash I have 35 energy with a totem axe and when I switch back to my Kephets staff I get 47 in return or if I use my wand I get 57 with -1 regen.It is all about switch your off hands arounnd to maintian your energy I even use shields up at times at 10 energy.It is best to have less energy when you use more of it.

Skuld · Jan 28, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

It is similiar to this oneMo/W Lod Infuser GvGWhen you use shield bash you can gian energy back way faster than useing any type of e- management.Then switch to your staff or wand to get more.

except that has no arbitrary heal other

Effigy · Jan 28, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Why are people using Heal Other with Infuse? Seems like there might be better options.

Burst Cancel · Jan 28, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Heh, three-10 energy spells and no e-managment?

You'd have an argument if you found yourself using all 3 regularly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effigy

Why are people using Heal Other with Infuse? Seems like there might be better options.

Name one. GoH doesn't play well with Infuse, because you're only going to be able to use it against straight pressure teams with no spike capability. Heal Other provides a big heal, which LoD-Infuse bars are lacking.

ump · Jan 29, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

For GvG (I don't know HA) one build that I saw and liked used Gift of Health with Light of Deliverance. Obviously, you can only use one skill or the other at any given time, but it shouldn't be too bad. It doesn't have condition removal, but there is a lot of pressure healing to overcome that problem as long as others can remove the key conditions.

14 healing, 12 divine, 7 protection, 2 shadow

Light of Deliverance
Gift of Health
Reversal of Fortune
Protective Spirit
Shield of Absorption
Holy Veil
Dark Escape
Return

If you don't want to bring Gift of Health, then I would use Infuse Health (which means I don't really need Reversal of Fortune) and can bring Heal Other/Dwayna's Kiss. Obviously, the secondary can be any of the viable possibilities.

Effigy · Jan 29, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

@Burst: The lack of Gift does leave a vacuum, but to me the great thing about Gift is its efficiency. Heal Other is much less efficient and similarly less desirable. Wouldn't it be feasible to use Infuse as your "big" heal, since it has no recharge, and bring a more smaller but efficient heal for just tossing around? Maybe Dwayna's Kiss or something? I'm sure we can agree that Heal Other can't be used the same as Gift, so the former can't really replace the latter.

I see what you mean about the lack of decent alternatives, but I just hate Heal Other. I'd be tempted to just take another prot skill if I couldn't find a decent 5e heal.

Burst Cancel · Jan 29, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Infuse is even worse than Heal Other from an efficiency standpoint, and you already have a smaller, efficient heal in LoD. Running multiple 10e spells might feel odd, but it's really not a big issue considering that all of them are used in different situations. You will never find yourself using Infuse, Spirit Bond, and Heal Other sequentially, for instance. Written a different way, just because you have three 10e spells doesn't compell you to use them all at once.

You're right that Heal Other isn't a replacement for Gift, and that's really what saves it. Gift is an efficient spam heal to make red bars go up. Heal Other is the rarely-used big heal you use when, say, there's a Grenth train on the off monk and you've run out of other options. Heal Other is there to account for the lack of raw healing strength in LoD bars.

As has been said before, the fact that terrible spells like Breeze and Other actually see tournament play only proves that the entire Healing line is a giant pile of shit.

Franco Power · Jan 29, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Well I usually use this in HA and works fine for me

[skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill][skill]Infuse Health[/skill][skill]Draw Conditions[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Orison Of Healing[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Channeling[/skill][skill]Healing Seed[/skill]

Thom Bangalter · Jan 29, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Effigy

Why are people using Heal Other with Infuse? Seems like there might be better options.

because tommy does it, that's why.

Age · Jan 29, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

What about touch to heal your self after you use infuse if you do use it?When use GoH though you will be disabling LoD for xx sec and any other healing spells.

Effigy · Jan 31, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Self-healing after infuse isn't the big problem, since you have LoD and probably an LoD or HP runner (GvG anyway), plus the other monk can Gift you.

I suppose you guys are right. Heal Other looks like a necessary evil for LoD infuser. I don't have experience monking in GvG, as I usually play midline or warrior, but I like to stay on top of these things for future reference and advising guildies.