Curse

LightningHell · Jan 26, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

I can't find Effigy's post, so I'll just say what he said.

If you want to think outside the box, then do so. We just prefer to think in the box of good old builds, rather than the box of stupid builds.

He said it better...

HawkofStorms · Jan 26, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Eh, in theory couldn't you use blackout as a warrior say right after using a skill like final thrust or decapitation that makes you lose all your adrenaline anyway.

Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?

Bewn · Jan 26, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Eh, in theory couldn't you use blackout as a warrior say right after using a skill like final thrust or decapitation that makes you lose all your adrenaline anyway.

Decapitate drains your Energy as well, so...

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Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?

*cogh* cancel-stance, Protection Spirit (on a monk in your team of Course)?

Lykan · Jan 26, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by fireshade24

Im creating a new axe warrior in proph, but i need to know what I should pick, W/N orW/ME. I already havea lvl 20 W/MO that uses swords, so im using axes this time.
~fireshade24

This post makes me laugh and cry at the same time, it underlines a popular problem in GW that most players dont understand the most basic point of GW - 'versatility'.
We see posts time and time again "i'm a w/mo, w/e etc and im wondering about making w/xx or "im a R/N what the best way to solo UW?". These guys have no clue about playing the game.

To the OP. No, you dont have a lvl 20 sword W/Mo, you have a Warrior, secondaries are just that, secondary to you main class. just buy an axe and a new hat and change your secondary its as simple as pressing 'K'.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 26, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorm

Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?

I use frenzy in pve, but I know how to use it properly. If you don't, use flail. [rawr] uses flail on one of their warriors.

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Originally Posted by Lykan

To the OP. No, you dont have a lvl 20 sword W/Mo, you have a Warrior, secondaries are just that, secondary to you main class. just buy an axe and a new hat and change your secondary its as simple as pressing 'K'.

I've never understood people that roll two elementalists, two warriors, or two monks. Unless one of them is a pvp character.

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Originally Posted by Dzus

Welcome to the box.

I hope you enjoy thinking in it.

Thinking 'outside the box' doesn't matter when the build is absolute trash and everyone on your team thinks you're an idiot.

LouAl · Jan 26, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

look, if the op wants to roll a new char, who are you to tell him/her not to?

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Originally Posted by Thom

Sure, you've effectively shut down a target for a few seconds, but you've also erased your adrenaline, shutting yourself down as well.

That is want Blackout does. It doesn't matter what character you are, that is exactly what blackout does - it blacks you both out (read: shuts you both down). I am not saying that BO is the best skill choice for a war, but it isn't the absolute worst thing a person could do.

Also, why is this thread soooo far off track?

If you want to roll a new PvE character, roll one. Screw what anyone is doing in GvG, just do it however you want. It is PvE for crap's sake! If you want to go /Me and put Conjure Nightmare or Panic on your bar, fine. I say you will likely be happy rolling a new W/N or W/Me. You could just change your secondary and buy an axe, but then you'd lose the experience of playing through the questline (assuming a PvE experience is what you want).

Effigy · Jan 27, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Rolling a new character is fine, but it sounds to me like the OP is fairly new to the game. Starting a new character requires a lot of time and gold invested, and if he already has a maxed out warrior it seems like a big waste to me. He would be better spending his time/money improving his first warrior than making a new one and having to reinvent the wheel.

dgb · Jan 27, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by LouAl

That is want Blackout does. It doesn't matter what character you are, that is exactly what blackout does - it blacks you both out (read: shuts you both down). I am not saying that BO is the best skill choice for a war, but it isn't the absolute worst thing a person could do.

You're missing the point. Yes it disables your skills, but that wipes you adrenaline making you unable to use those skills for another 10ish seconds while you rebuild your adrenaline. For it to do an equivalent thing to a caster it would have to make them lose 15 energy as well.

It makes sense on casterse because they are making a conscious decision to trade and it doesn't retard their skills beyond the 5s of disable. This isn't the case for warriros.

GourangaPizza · Jan 27, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Before attempting to come up with any builds, think of what it is going to do in the first place. Is it going to dish out as much damage as possible in the shortest time, or is it going to disable targets? If you going for damage, blackout shouldn't be there, as blackout shutdown your warrior too. Adrenaline is your warrior's lifeblood in dealing damge. Else if you are going for disabling, a hammer warrior is pretty competent in achieving that since targets being knockdown can't do anything.

A W/N is good for only one thing in my opinion; plague touch. This easily makes disabling conditions especialling blindness piece of cake on that warrior. A W/Me on the other hand used lots of buffing spells to buff himself such as Physical Resistance or Mantra of Flame (if you are in RoF) so as to be able to soak up more damage.

Patrick Smit · Jan 27, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Effigy

My suggestion would be to just buy a +1 Axe Mastery helm for your sword warrior and save yourself a lot of trouble. If you don't want to do that for some reason, W/N is going to be more useful than W/Me although you'll just be using warrior skills most of the time in PvE. If you're thinking about casting spells with a W/N or W/Me, my advice is to think again. W/N is for Plague Touch and W/Me might be used for an Inspiration stance in a very specific setting, like solo farming in FoW.

I played warrior with different secondaries, and W/N (using plague touch as said by the quoted poster) gave me the most "functionality" this simple skill allowed me to keep on damaging cause u can get rid of blinds while the monk is doing, more "important" things (sometimes i dont know what they do). If they dump other nice conditions on u, u can additionally damage enemies with it, what more do you want from a 5 energy skill that has no recharge.

Thomas.knbk · Jan 27, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

omg, please dont make more warriors. they are so useless. go play a good class. i swear, at least half of the people in game are warriors.

That's because warriors own the game.
I owned PvE with 4/5 warrior teams. Works great if they actually try to play offensively.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Also, Thom, suggesting a guy playing PvE should watch PvP observer mode to get tips on how to play a warrior in PvE is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do we really need more frenzy warriors in PvE?

No offense, but Frenzy>PvE. I use it all the time. (well, when I play PvE that is. been a long time)

Blackout on a warrior is also not a good idea. It resets your adrenaline, and you need to invest pretty heavy in Domination for it to be remotely effective.
Don't say you don't need adrenaline and use energy attacks because: 1. ALL good attack skills in the game are adrenaline 2. you don't want to use more energy if you're spending 10e on blackout all the time.

Mr Bartel · Jan 27, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

W/A ownz, really, shadow arts and use dark escape/Feigned neutrality to tank, heart of shadow is a very good heal/defensive skill, DC to target and keep agro on yourself, then just use steady stance to spam conditions and gain lots of mana/adrenalin (combined with desperate blow/Drunken blow), this really rulz as warior, and it doesn't really matter of which weapon u r using. (sry for english, I'm french)

Pwnd by a guineapig · Jan 28, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Heh W/N has most of there builds just with a healing skill, plague touch, and attack skills... But thats about it for W/N

W/Me on the other hand has some possiblitys such as solo FoW beach, and IDS farming

but whichever you think is better...

LightningHell · Jan 28, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by Mr Bartel

W/A ownz, really, shadow arts and use dark escape/Feigned neutrality to tank, heart of shadow is a very good heal/defensive skill, DC to target and keep agro on yourself, then just use steady stance to spam conditions and gain lots of mana/adrenalin (combined with desperate blow/Drunken blow), this really rulz as warior, and it doesn't really matter of which weapon u r using. (sry for english, I'm french)

I take it you don't do what a Warrior, by definition, is supposed to do?