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SotiCoto · Jan 22, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

If u said Phoenix is an off-hand-atk that doesn't require lead-atk, so can u explain me the Spider skill? Spider is also an off-hand-atk that doesn't require lead-atk and why Poison has Poison but Phoenix has nothing?

can u explain me y Black Phoenix Strike is exist, if Phoenix doesn't do anything at all. and y ppl stupid enough to use Black Phoenix Strike instead of Black Spider Strike and Black Lotus Strike.

... If you can tell me why a phoenix WOULD be black... then I'd like to hear it..... or indeed why you'd have a golden spider?

Perhaps its just because it doesn't do anything else.... because its an off-hand that doesn't have to be chained into and doesn't have any extra features.

Perhaps Phoenix = Doesn't do anything else! ... Mostly because they couldn't just put "Golden Strike" ... as that would have sounded extremly tarded.

Crazyvietguy · Jan 22, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

Before u post it , u need to know Black skill follows Hex and Golden follows Ench.

I'm.. pretty sure i said that.. but whatever

So yes, i was assuming that because you were enchanted it was an auto hit, I did get the 2 confused.
Until they come out with more "pheonix attacks" We cant determine its true value, because like you've said Golden = Enchanted. And since it doesnt contain any "extra" umph.

I did see a difference in description [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] and [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] In GPS the fact that it will miss is stated. This means nothing now, because that is common knowledge, perhaps later on it will prove to have significance.

And... yes I do use shadow prison..

Crazyvietguy · Jan 22, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by Morgoth the dark

not really, it's better now, same casting time as fireball + more dmg if your target is near you. (5 energy more isnt that much more..)

Someone shoot me in the face..........

Fireball, isnt even relative to this thread whatsoever

Jeff Highwind · Jan 22, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

I think the OP is now just trying to prove he's right.

TaiClaw · Jan 22, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

This thread made me lol irl.

Siva arwen · Jan 23, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Lord Nibiru

omg,this threat is over,if he don't know some skills are for,then he have problem.Learn,do you think we weren't learning for months to get some combos and to learn skills?!
There is NO WAY I will tell you for EVERY skills what is it for!
end.

If u have nothing to say then dont say it. Nobody asked u to jump and post those kind of comments.

Siva arwen · Jan 23, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

It's not similar to BSS and BLS.

BSS and BLS only lit up when you target a hexed foe.

GPS always lits up. However, you need to be enchanted for it to hit, not for the skill to "work".

If you notice: BSS and BLS have a hex icon as requirement.
The rest of the golden xxx strikes always hit, regardless of enchantment. Their bonus triggers on enchantment however. They always lit up. (Golden Skull Strike lits up when a lead attack is applied )

Phoenix lits up even if not enchanted . It's bonus is that it misses when not enchanted.

You have a good explanation here and it makes me shock, but i'm not going to lose to u with this one. I will prove u r wrong.
1) GPS and BSS and BLS are different from the other assassin atk skills, WHY? because they r required Ench or Hex to be able use the skill.
2) The rest of the golden xxx strikes always hit, regardless of Ench, thats right, But dont forget[skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill], this Black skill is always hit too, regardless ur target is hexed or not and BMT is always lit up too.
3) Phoenix lits up even if not enchanted, thats right, But u forget one thing again, one of the spider skill is always lit up too, [skill]Falling Spider[/skill] is always lit up regardless ur foe is knocked-down or not.

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Until they come out with more "pheonix attacks" We cant determine its true value, because like you've said Golden = Enchanted. And since it doesnt contain any "extra" umph.

I did see a difference in description [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] and [skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill] In GPS the fact that it will miss is stated. This means nothing now, because that is common knowledge, perhaps later on it will prove to have significance.

Golden and Black is the same, it just because they have different way to use the skill to make it has an effect. The only i can prove right now is Phoenix has non-effect, I think Anet didn't completed their job with this Phoenix skill yet. And i have reason why Anet nerf this skill, and why Anet didn't even touch a single thing to BSS when this skill so powerful than GPS even compare BSS to GPS-Before-Nerf?

SotiCoto · Jan 23, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Sounds fair enough...

So assuming for a moment that the names didn't sound totally inappropriate.... what would be the precise functionality of a Black Phoenix Strike.... or a Falling Phoenix Strike?

SotiCoto · Jan 23, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Now while I agree on the whole "it will miss if not-" thing... I don't think it need be applied only to enchantments... because if that was the case then it would have "Golden" in it as well.

Rather I'm tending to believe that a Black Phoenix Strike would always be lit up.... but miss if the opponent wasn't hexed.... and it would be an off-hand not needing a lead-in. That is to say I believe the "phoenix" part would to some extent override the actual "black" fade-out-if-not-hexed... The only practical difference would be that it would be a waste of energy...

ALTERNATIVELY.... it could be that it would be lit as long as the opponent was hexed and unlit otherwise... then assuming for instance that the hex was removed mid-attack before the damage could be done (very slim chance), that the attack would miss regardless.... which basically means both effects (though under most circumstances it would be irrelevant).

The notion of Phoenix referring specifically to enchants however when Golden IS the essentially confirmed "Enchant" prefix seems unlikely... IMHO...

TaiClaw · Jan 23, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Why is Wild Strike mentioned in the list? Thats like putting Temple Strike on the list saying:

Temple Strike - Daze/blind

omfg I wonder what golden temple thrust would be like!

Very stupid thread imo.

TaiClaw · Jan 23, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Why is Wild Strike mentioned in the list? Thats like putting Temple Strike on the list saying:

Temple - Daze/blind

omfg I wonder what golden temple thrust would be like!

Very stupid thread imo.

Siva arwen · Jan 24, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

The rest of the golden xxx strikes always hit, regardless of enchantment. Their bonus triggers on enchantment however. They always lit up. (Golden Skull Strike lits up when a lead attack is applied )

You said "They always lit up. (Golden Skull Strike lits up when a lead attack is applied )" that doesnt make any sences, if u said "They always lit up" Why Golden Skull Strike still need a Lead Atk?
**Read ur own comment and Read my answer**

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

[skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill] is a lead attack. BLS and BSS are offhands, therefor they miss. Their bonus is "Black": effect on hex.

Mantis = cripple. ( [skill]leaping mantis sting[/skill] + [skill]mantis touch[/skill] )

Black is the trigger(if offhanded )+bonus, Golden is mere bonus, even if they have more effects.

*Black Mantis Thrust is hex-based, always lits up. Maybe the Thrust is why it lights up. I don't use this in my logic.

lol again, You mention Black always required a hex-foe to be lits up, but Black Mantis Thrust always lits up because it has "Thrust"! -- ROFL "Strike" and "Thrust" has nothing to do with the skill.
**Read my answer**

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Black is the trigger(if offhanded )+bonus, Golden is mere bonus, even if they have more effects.

Answer:
1) Black and Golden are the same, they just have to meet their required(Hex/Ench) to be able to get Special Effect(not a bonus Damage). and What special effect that i mean is the second word of the skill name(Spider, Lotus, Phoenix,... ).
2) Spider and Phoenix are the same too, because Spider and Phoenix are the only off-hand atk that both don't need Lead atk to be able to use the skill. But they also have a required(Black, Golden, Falling, ....)to be able to use the skill or ur atk will not fail. How do i know it?
3) Every Lead atk doesn't need required(Lead, Off-hand, and Dual.) to use the skill, Every off-hand and Dual atk always have required(Lead, Off-hand, and Dual.) to use the skill or ur skill will not fail.

IMO
1) If my understand is not wrong, Spider was designed only for Dark Side and Phoenix was designed for Good Side, but who know if Anet changed their mind and makes a Golden Spider Strike or Black Phoenix Strike. But Falling Phoenix Strike could be exist because it doesn't belong to Black or Golden.
2) The Fact and all we know is Spider = Poison and Phoenix = Nothing. And maybe the fact that Anet didn't Buff GPS or Nerf BSS because they want ppl to buy NightFall to get imba skill like BSS.

SotiCoto · Jan 24, 2007, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

... that doesnt make any sences,

Quote of the day...

Lawlz @ you.

But in all seriousness... perhaps we should ask the creators what the Phoenix bit actually stands for as while it clearly stands for something, its not totally clear what given that only one "Phoenix" skill exists. Plus its possible that someone making the skills might have gubbed up the precise syntax somewhere along the line (simple human error).

And don't bring "good" or "evil" into this.
GW does a pretty good job of avoiding the issues of "morality"... There is nothing inherantly good about golden skills / enchants, nor inherantly evil about black skills / hexes. The names just signify a game-mechanic in effect.... thats all..

Siva arwen · Jan 25, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

And don't bring "good" or "evil" into this.
GW does a pretty good job of avoiding the issues of "morality"... There is nothing inherantly good about golden skills / enchants, nor inherantly evil about black skills / hexes. The names just signify a game-mechanic in effect.... thats all..

sry about the word Good/Evil, i dont really mean like that, but it just something that easy for me to explain Ench/Hex.

imblo · Jan 29, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Someone shoot me in the face..........

Fireball, isnt even relative to this thread whatsoever

I think Morgoth was referring to the elementalist skill Phoenix

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Phoenix

Either an honest mistake, or just being a smart ass...

imo GPS should set the target on fire (prolly 1-3 secs). Fits in with the phoenix theme, and puts in on par with BSS (skip lead, give condition).