Curse

olly123 · Jan 03, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

A little >slightly offtopic< question, i see no res on that bar, arent monks suppused to res when someone dies? whats common in PvP monk bars? res or no res?

like it has been mentions, a monk should never res, tho in PVE i always bring rebirth, times when the who team gets wiped out,(done flame me, u cant say you've never been the only person left alive in the group), but i never use it untill im the only person left. if u get some one pinging "im dead", i tell them to shut the f**k up. and if thay dont i wont res them

Age · Jan 03, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Orignally Posted by dgb
Rubbish, there is absolutely no point playing pure healing builds, they don't teach you anything about monking. You just point at someone and red bars go up, blue bars go down. When your blue bars go down far enough people die.

There's nothing complex about protection at all intrinsically, it's just when you compare it to the 20 skills in healing that all do exactly the same thing it looks complex.

Sure there is for someone just new to Monking in PvP there is and I prefer PoS over Spirit Bond anyday or didn't you know it was nerfed,SoA yes.This is no beginner build it more for the advaned user I could use it but not the OP if you never played the role before.That is why I said PvE is a better training ground.Don't tell me how the bars work as I know already and I don't stare at them either

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Orignally Posted by LightningHell
Monks do not resurrect. Ever.

Let the Elementalists do that job.

When a Monk wastes time to resurrect, that's time that can be used to save other allies.

Sure Monks res in RA,TA,ABand HB.They do not res in HA or GvG.They only use a signet instead of a hard res though.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 04, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Age

Sure Monks res in

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RA

that means they're bad.

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TA

that means they're really bad.

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AB

people bring rez to AB? even the monk? what?

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HB

people play this?

dgb · Jan 04, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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Originally Posted by Age

Sure there is for someone just new to Monking in PvP there is and I prefer PoS over Spirit Bond anyday or didn't you know it was nerfed,SoA yes.This is no beginner build it more for the advaned user I could use it but not the OP if you never played the role before.That is why I said PvE is a better training ground.Don't tell me how the bars work as I know already and I don't stare at them either

Sure Monks res in RA,TA,ABand HB.They do not res in HA or GvG.They only use a signet instead of a hard res though.

Can you stop polluting this thread with bad information.

Spirit Bond hasn't been nerfed significantly from a RA perspective, it only lasts eight bloody seconds, you'll be lucky to get ten processes out of it.

It's perfectly fine for a beginner, anything else will just teach bad habits and I don't recomend it.

Just stop sucking about resing please.

Age · Jan 04, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by dgb

Can you stop polluting this thread with bad information.

Spirit Bond hasn't been nerfed significantly from a RA perspective, it only lasts eight bloody seconds, you'll be lucky to get ten processes out of it.

It's perfectly fine for a beginner, anything else will just teach bad habits and I don't recomend it.

Just stop sucking about resing please.

Spirit Bond has been nerfed as it is easy to strip it through either shatter enchantment or any type of physical damage.Why don't you think that no one uses the 605 solo build anymore?When it come to ressing it really is ok in RA as 1 slot wont make the difference between day or night in GvG that is a totally differenet matter altogether and style of Monking btw what are your chances of ending up with a Monk in RA.Then agian some other profs. don't bring res in RA.

LightningHell · Jan 04, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

In RA, if you, as the monk, have to res, you're better off leaving the group because they suck too much, or you suck at monking.

sage tank · Jan 04, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Like many other said, I suggest you go to prot line, healing pretty much sucks because its naturally long casting time.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 04, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Age

Spirit Bond has been nerfed as it is easy to strip it through either shatter enchantment or any type of physical damage.Why don't you think that no one uses the 605 solo build anymore?When it come to ressing it really is ok in RA as 1 slot wont make the difference between day or night in GvG that is a totally differenet matter altogether and style of Monking btw what are your chances of ending up with a Monk in RA.Then agian some other profs. don't bring res in RA.

Spirit Bond is amazing, the only issue with it is that your bar is tight, it's expensive, and if you're solo monking prot spirit is better.

LightningHell · Jan 04, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Age

Spirit Bond has been nerfed as it is easy to strip it through either shatter enchantment or any type of physical damage.Why don't you think that no one uses the 605 solo build anymore?When it come to ressing it really is ok in RA as 1 slot wont make the difference between day or night in GvG that is a totally differenet matter altogether and style of Monking btw what are your chances of ending up with a Monk in RA.Then agian some other profs. don't bring res in RA.

About Spirit Bond...it always was able to be shattered, they didn't specially nerf it so it can be easily removed. It now caps at 10 attacks, which is fine, because you'd be getting good enough mileage out of it anyway, or the damage is (hopefully) insignificant enough to be ignored, if you get to 10 uses. And, as stated above, Prot Spirit is better if you're alone.

What does the 605 solo build have to do with anything?

Effigy · Jan 04, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Age gives consistently bad information in every thread I read. I've gotten a few laughs for his/her posts in the past though.

As to PS versus SB for solo monking, I was under the impression that SB was a better choice because it combines negates a lot of damage rather than just controlling it like PS does. Burst Cancel did an analysis of the two in another thread. Is the longer duration worth sacrificing those +96 procs? Talking about RA here.

Age · Jan 04, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Effigy

Age gives consistently bad information in every thread I read. I've gotten a few laughs for his/her posts in the past though.

As to PS versus SB for solo monking, I was under the impression that SB was a better choice because it combines negates a lot of damage rather than just controlling it like PS does. Burst Cancel did an analysis of the two in another thread. Is the longer duration worth sacrificing those +96 procs? Talking about RA here.

I do do I hmm I have been given lots of compliments on my Monking skills in both PvE and PvP and kept teams alive.When it comes to RA it really isn't that hard I kept groups alive with just 2 healing spells alone and I have pics to prove it.What I was getting at to the OP is new to Monking any build won't do him a world of good unless they know basics and ask your selves where did you learn the basics of Monking.I would tend to think PvE that is where the OP should be and anyone wanting to learn the basics.How good is this person at say keeping a group of six alive in a coop mission or even eight?

The skills on your bar aren't the only skills you need to be good at monking.you could give somene the best bar in world and if they don't all of the skill do play the role they won't do good at it it is not just looking at red bars and clicking on them and pressing button.That is not skill alone it take a lot more than that.You want to know where I learned about monks bringing a res signet in RA and TA is from The Guild Hall very pro PvP board unlike The Guru.

Syncrose · Jan 05, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Thanks DGB, i appreciate it a bunch.

liquiddrool · Jan 13, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Monking is all about knowing your enemy, then keeping your team alive while your team clumsily kills the other. When you start battle hit 'tab' to scroll through and see the kind of builds your opponents may be running. You may do well to watch some guild battles, play some other classes too, or atleast read the forums for their common builds if you do not know any.

DGB gave you a good build, run that one for teams/random, maybe make some mods for doing Heroes' Ascent. Random is a good place to learn too, you will see a lot of different builds and you won't get booted from a team if you suq.

Oh, and you don't need to do PvE. I learned all my monking from PVP, mainly alliance battles. When I finally made a PvE monk all the skills and tactics I learned in PVP made the PvE end of monking easy.