Curse

Shadowborn Demon · Jan 05, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

With the death of inspiration magic, and my thorough obsession with Mo/A (and the other guild monk's) when combing our builds to our likings, we drew to a halt at one thing: Hex Removal.
Being Mo/A (and not about to change that), we don't have access to the Inspiration hex removals even if we didn't need them for E-Management. For now, we opted for Holy Veil, but for hex removal its a little slow - casting, then removing isn't really our thing.
So, the question posed here, is what is the best, non-elite monk hex removal skill, or should we just run a Divert in GvG?

Thanks,

Shadowborn.

TheGrimReaper · Jan 05, 2007, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Well divert hexes and expel hexes are the best to run in gvg, coz if you encounter hexes it wount be just 1 hex it will be tons... an inspired hex is always a nice skill if you have a slot open, but as a monk/assassin you dont have much choices; holy veil is the best there is in that line-up. Contemplation of purity is a must on every monk build, but thats only my opinion.

Anarkii · Jan 05, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I still prefer Holy Veil. Casting and Removing isnt that slow once you get used to it.

Ensign · Jan 05, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Veil. You don't just need it against heavy hex teams, it's good for pulling Diversions and Water Snares as well - not being able to pull some of those can be pretty crushing. Against power hexing teams though you're not going to put up much of a fight, in terms of removal, without Purge Signets and the like.

Peace,
-CxE

LightningHell · Jan 05, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Hexes are a problem, since when they have enough hexes to matter, they probably also have Signet of Humility.

dgb · Jan 05, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Hexes are a problem, since when they have enough hexes to matter, they probably also have Signet of Humility.

And you don't have an interupt for a 2s signet that comes about with metronome like regularity?

LightningHell · Jan 05, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by dgb

And you don't have an interupt for a 2s signet that comes about with metronome like regularity?

True.

Divert Hexes still isn't exactly my favorite. It may be very useful against hexheavy teams, but it's inferior when you're facing a team with less hexes than normal.

warriorsmiley · Jan 05, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

If your running dual monks one would most lilkely be carrying Blessed light which is a good heal but really a great hex removal for energy cost but holy veil is where the money is better then any non-elite hex removal or purge signet if used right.

Senrath · Jan 05, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Well, for removing hexes from team mates I find that Convert Hexes works pretty well. Unfortunately, it has a 20s recharge and cant be cast on yourself >.<

ump · Jan 05, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Personally, I'd go with one monk with Divert Hexes and one monk with Holy Veil. (Pre-veiling and removing 3 hexes every 5 seconds)

LouAl · Jan 05, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

if you really can't stand casting and then removing you can always fall back on smite hex. It is only 3 seconds longer to cooldown than veil and is still a 1 sec cast (I still think veil is better but if you don't like it...)

Made In Ascalon · Jan 05, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Senrath

Well, for removing hexes from team mates I find that Convert Hexes works pretty well. Unfortunately, it has a 20s recharge and cant be cast on yourself >.<

Convert Hexes is one of the worst hex removals in the game, and undoubtably the worst in the monk skill tree.

Former Ruling · Jan 05, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon

Convert Hexes is one of the worst hex removals in the game, and undoubtably the worst in the monk skill tree.

When the meta is full of Hex-Heavy teams, Convert often times becomes staple.

Like back when SB/RI was popular.

never run on an actual monk though.

Franco Power · Jan 05, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Reversal Of Fortune[/skill][skill]Gift Of Health[/skill][skill]Dark Escape[/skill][skill]Return[/skill][skill]Signet Of Devotion[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill]

10 healing, 11 divine, 12 prot , 4 shadow

We ran something like this today, Its important that you bring a divert hexes monk, holy veil/inspired hex just wont make a difference against a hex heavy team.

Apok Omen · Jan 05, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Holy Veil is the best single hex-removal Monks have. Low energy, fast cast, and low recharge, along with its effect to double the casting time on many infamous hexes.

Although, with all the hex pressure in HA, Convert Hexes is a must. Not only does it remove all hexes, but it also gives the hexed ally +10 armor for each removed Necro hex for a certain amount of time. Cast it on the Ghost when he's holding after catching the SB spike, and it's basically GG. Not that popular in GvG since it's full of Dervishes and SP Wars...

Franco Power · Jan 05, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

Holy Veil is the best single hex-removal Monks have. Low energy, fast cast, and low recharge, along with its effect to double the casting time on many infamous hexes.

Although, with all the hex pressure in HA, Convert Hexes is a must. Not only does it remove all hexes, but it also gives the hexed ally +10 armor for each removed Necro hex for a certain amount of time. Cast it on the Ghost when he's holding after catching the SB spike, and it's basically GG. Not that popular in GvG since it's full of Dervishes and SP Wars...

The only problem is a hex heavy team isn't going to hex the ghostly only, it's going to put pressure on every single team member, especially the monks, and convert hexes has a 20 seconds recharge time, and since when do hex teams rely on dmg to make the +10 armor a big difference?

Dragonious · Jan 05, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon

Convert Hexes is one of the worst hex removals in the game, and undoubtably the worst in the monk skill tree.

Retard Alert! Retard alert! Go sit in the corner and here is your dunce cap. DONT MOVE! DONT YOU F***ING MOVE!!!

Seriously, Convert is a great skill to remove ALL HEXES so it has its uses and is by far not the worst....

Age · Jan 06, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

There is if you don't want to use an elite smite hex at 5 e. remove hex 5 e. and reverse hex at 10 e. or just simply use holey viel.

Solus_the_Deadly · Jan 06, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Blessed Light

Thom Bangalter · Jan 06, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Dragonious

Retard Alert! Retard alert! Go sit in the corner and here is your dunce cap. DONT MOVE! DONT YOU F***ING MOVE!!!

Seriously, Convert is a great skill to remove ALL HEXES so it has its uses and is by far not the worst....

Convert really isn't that good. Purge signet is infinitely better and is practically free if you're smart. I can't think of many characters besides elementalists that can afford to carry it--tainted necros were running with it two seasons ago, but purge would've been better there too.

Divert is more than playable but half the time will be a waste of an elite; versus hex heavy teams it pulls it's weight (like the current jagged bones build running around). We run a divert and zb backline if I'm not mistaken, with proper midline and runner support it's a great skill. Since monk bars are based around Rof, Gift of Health, and Prot spirit/spirit bond, it really doesn't matter what your elite is (as tons of people have noted).

Proper holy veil usage is incredible for the reasons Ensign noted.