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Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 29, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

SF kinda annoys me in hero battles cus any idiot can do it -.- but im fine with it the way it is because it ownes spirit spam so less people play spirit spam

Last time I tried bringing a SF ele to counter spirit spam, I found that Searing flames does not affect spirits, which is a ridiculous bug and needs to be fixed. There were eles in PvP that could put out pressure. As to those who say MS sucks, It does have its uses. I seem to remember that the last world championship was clenched with some nice trapping, smiting, and a GLYPH OF SAC MS (pretty sure I remember this, could be wrong).

TLLOTS · Dec 29, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Last time I tried bringing a SF ele to counter spirit spam, I found that Searing flames does not affect spirits, which is a ridiculous bug and needs to be fixed.

It's not a bug, spirits are immune to conditions, as such you can never damage a spirit with Searing Flames.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 29, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Hmmm, we managed to deal damage (thus assuming I set them on fire) when we targeted someone near the spirits as opposed to the spirits themselves. *shrug* good point that they can't be affected by conditions, idk I wasn't paying that much attention at the time.

S_Serpent · Dec 29, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

The reason you roll SF teams in HA in under 10 seconds is because 99% of those teams have the intelligence of my dog. A good searing flames team that knows wtf is going on is pretty good, but of course, you see practically none of these. And again, there are plenty of counters to searing flames, the problem is that quite a few of them are searing flames specific.

Your starting to contradic yourself, first SF is overpowered and now only 1% of the SF teams know what they do in HA. If SF is overpowered it would win HoH repeatedly and leave all other build in the dust = that is an overpowered skill then. And no there are so many non SF counters available its makes SF just an "on par" skill with other elites.

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

As to the people who continually say that you never saw eles in PvP before SF, you obviously do not PvP at all.

ah eles as damagedealer, don't make laugh, they where created as the mass dmg dealer and have never been seen the true daylight they where supposed to be (ok they have other lines for other specific things: wards, snares, and all non ele specifec pvp things: heal party spammer, runner, and what more) so the ele primary as dmg would better disappear that is what all you just want to see happening! FOOLS just open you damn manual and read the description for the eles, in all there existance they have never lived up to there names unless at the very beginning before all the multiple ele hate = idiotic nerfs that where ment good in overall profession balance but just shut down the entire ele mass dmg which gave the ele there existance in the first place as a class!

I already see the next whining thread coming to nerf X (not gonna tell which ones) ele skill after SF is nerfed, just because people again won't be willing to adapt. Eles have been adapting since forever basicly.

SF would be overpowered if in pve the aoe would still be as what is was in the beginning before the aoe nerf, so pvp'er should learn to use positioning (and adapt with multiple counters available) too and then dmg output off SF is drasticly reduced to a mediocore skill! Thats why I don't even run SF in HA its a one way ticket to NOT win HoH ever.

shmek · Dec 29, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Enko

Gaile Grey mentioned that Searing Flames would be "dealt with" and a skill balance update would be coming in Mid-January.

Personally, I feel that there's plenty of ways to beat Searing Flames that a nerf isn't needed. Pretty much every build in the game has a counter to it. Is it really SF eles' fault that no one runs the counters to them?

Great news.... they must considering UNNERFING warriors from their near obsolescence?

GAYLE, incase you read this..... how about considering building up other skills instead of screwing things into the ground as a way of "balance." Things really are fine as they are if you read this thread. It's a simple psychological fact that people get turned off by continual nerf (taking away options)... but "adding" new things incorporates variety, and "variety is the spice of life." Please take a lesson from SWG Devs.... nerfs on continual rebalance = dead game life of exasperated players.

One nerf leads to another - How about one counter leading to another, and giving people time to come up with them (many already have).

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 29, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by S_Serpent

Your starting to contradic yourself, first SF is overpowered and now only 1% of the SF teams know what they do in HA. If SF is overpowered it would win HoH repeatedly and leave all other build in the dust = that is an overpowered skill then. And no there are so many non SF counters available its makes SF just an "on par" skill with other elites.

ah eles as damagedealer, don't make laugh, they where created as the mass dmg dealer and have never been seen the true daylight they where supposed to be (ok they have other lines for other specific things: wards, snares, and all non ele specifec pvp things: heal party spammer, runner, and what more) so the ele primary as dmg would better disappear that is what all you just want to see happening! FOOLS just open you damn manual and read the description for the eles, in all there existance they have never lived up to there names unless at the very beginning before all the multiple ele hate = idiotic nerfs that where ment good in overall profession balance but just shut down the entire ele mass dmg which gave the ele there existance in the first place as a class!

I already see the next whining thread coming to nerf X (not gonna tell which ones) ele skill after SF is nerfed, just because people again won't be willing to adapt. Eles have been adapting since forever basicly.

SF would be overpowered if in pve the aoe would still be as what is was in the beginning before the aoe nerf, so pvp'er should learn to use positioning (and adapt with multiple counters available) too and then dmg output off SF is drasticly reduced to a mediocore skill! Thats why I don't even run SF in HA its a one way ticket to NOT win HoH ever.

No, I am not contradicting myself. I said that they do not know wtf they are doing, not that SF isn't an overpowered skill. The one time I ever ran searing flames with a real group, we got to halls really easily, because we're not a bunch of retards. If the people running searing flames in HA knew what they were doing, they would win more. Plus searing flames isn't going to win against mass defense builds like spirit spam, but that just came about in the last few weeks or so, beforehand anyone knowing what they were doing with SF could win.

Damage eles were run in PvP. Back in 10 minute HA, I've seen a group with a dual attunement fire ele hold for 2.5 hours (would've been on the team if I hadn't had to go to dinner). In 8v8, I occasionally ran starbursters and/or dual attunement eles. They were used for damage in PvP, the end.

pingu666 · Dec 29, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

whats nerfed about wammos?

ensoriki · Dec 29, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Pingu.... a sin/derv/Para > warriors

Good sin> any warrior
Good derv> Good warrior
Good paragon>good warrior

S_Serpent · Jan 02, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Its simple, if you not willing to accept that SF is currently in the meta game and deal with it (more then enough tools are available), best thing is to start asking to nerf spiritspam, bloodspike, ..., and what more ... maybe a.net should start buffing PVP to a non-whiners community!

Peace, live with it.

Maybe we all could start to strike when we face SF eles in HA, then they would actually be owning in HA!

Kristyl Meth · Jan 02, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Rather than nerf SF, I think they should reduce the energy returned by Glowing Glaze. Maybe 7-8 instead of 10... SF would be much more balanced if you had energy problems to continually think about.

You can't run an elite energy management skill (thank god no dual attune SF eles) so it'd seriously cut down on the n00bs who spam SF + GG ad infinitum. Even a really lousy player won't have energy problems doing that currently, while putting out incredibly high damage and DoT.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jan 02, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

GG is not the problem. There are a million mesmer skills and a few other profession skills eles can use as a secondary to easily gain energy back.

Speedy Lunar · Jan 02, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I never rly cared for SF, I prefer Dual Attunement. But it's true, the nerfs in Ele are getting worse. First AoE was a lot weaker all of a sudden, now this...I don't like the way this is going...

Symbol · Jan 02, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Good sin> any warrior
Good derv> Good warrior
Good paragon>good warrior

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Keithark · Jan 02, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Etcetera

so please. dont cry about Searing Flames, if it's owning you too hard in RA, dont play RA.

I agree...but then I say why nerf anyting???? If it is sooooo overpowered then stop bitching about it and use it yourself. If SF team is so great then everyone use SF build and then we see who is actually more skilled right? Isn't that the point of PvP anyway, to see who is the better player? In short NOTHING EVER NEEDS A NERF IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE!!

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jan 02, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Keithark

I agree...but then I say why nerf anyting???? If it is sooooo overpowered then stop bitching about it and use it yourself. If SF team is so great then everyone use SF build and then we see who is actually more skilled right? Isn't that the point of PvP anyway, to see who is the better player? In short NOTHING EVER NEEDS A NERF IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE!!

I cannot seriously belive you just said that. You obviously have never PvPed. The objective is not always to kill something, so maybe a bunch of SF eles isn't the greatest idea? And some people don't like the idea of using overpowered skills, we have this thing called ethics. Sure, it's available to everyone, but it isn't always best according to situation, and some people don't like running around like ostriches with their heads in the sand. Also, if something is so overpowered everyone is using it, it clearly outstrips the other skills. This means that to make those skills worth something again, the overpowered skill needs to be nerfed or the underpowered ones need to be buffed. 99.9% of the time, nerfing is the way to go.

Enko · Jan 02, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Also, if something is so overpowered everyone is using it, it clearly outstrips the other skills. This means that to make those skills worth something again, the overpowered skill needs to be nerfed or the underpowered ones need to be buffed. 99.9% of the time, nerfing is the way to go.

well that may be the case except not everyone uses SF in PvP so your comment doesn't even apply to this situation.

Xpl0iter · Jan 02, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

yep... ethics

thoe long lost memorable moments where people spammed dervish skills with assasin mix to slaughter foes in 10 seconds or less. Yep, lotsa ethics there.

For a person who claims to have seen ele fire line being used in PVP before NF came out, i am sure you have seen every thing.

You are continuously claiming that Fire line is FINE and SF is overpowered.

First, give a proof of fire line being FINE and well used in PVP please.

I will say it again. Support your views on fire line by actualy providing us with some numbers and its viability in PVP at this point. Since you claim to have more knowwledge of PVP when compared to others, i bet clearing that to US won't be that big of a deal.

Kristyl Meth · Jan 02, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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And some people don't like the idea of using overpowered skills, we have this thing called ethics.

I don't see how ethics come into play by any stretch of the imagination. It's a video game, you know?

Anyone can use SF it it's that godlike. If you feel it cheapens the game, and don't want to use it, that's fine and dandy. How the ---- do ethics apply here?

jesh · Jan 03, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

For once Eles are made out to be the powerful mages they should be in this game. Searing Flames does not need to get nerfed, end of discussion.

QFT. Hopefully what Gaile meant was that all the other elementalist elites will become just as powerful as Searing Flames when the skills are rebalanced.

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Originally Posted by S_Serpent

if SF is nerved then for the sake of balance every single fire skill will need a buff!

QFT.

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Even if they do go completely overboard and nerf it to hell and gone (which I hope they won't), eles will get along just fine. Believe it or not, they managed to kill things quite well before searing flames came along.

Quoted For not Truth. There isn't anything that kills slower than an elementalist with no Nightfall skills. NOTHING. SF and other skills gave elementalists the boost in power that they desperately needed. If there is a nerf in store for them, the elementalist will become the utility whöres once again.

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Also, if nukers suck so much, I would like to know why people take them into high level areas instead of warriors which apparently wtfpwn them (PvE of course). Nukers don't suck for PvE, and they have their uses for PvP. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

I've done it numerous times. Fire kills just fine. If eles are so underpowered, why does almost every balanced PvE group known to mankind take one or more?

Because a lot of people that play GW are very, very bad at math. "Nukers" suck, and yes, that includes Meteor Shower. Learn some math. Then do more than "skim" a thread written by Ensign, you might learn something.

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

When I hit the mursaat area with my warrior, I was dealing like 10 damage on an average hit on a boss or something like that. It is not just elementalists that still have a problem in higher level areas.

Now I know I can ignore anything you post. People, we have C+Space warrior on our hands. Alert the media.

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

if i recall, the Point of Nuking was AOE dmg, was it not?
How many other professions claim to be the AOE damager of GW, beside the ADVERTISED ELE profession ofcourse?

*Necro with Mark of Pain
*Mesmer - Mistrust, Spiritual Pain, Arcane Echo, Assassin's Promise
*Barrage
*Triple Chop warrior

If you're talking about PvP, then obviously none of these are valid except for the mesmer, and the only skill he would keep would be Spiritual Pain.
Xpl0iter, you have my respect for trying to hammer knowledge into the populace. I would have given up a long time ago.

Bloodied Blade · Jan 03, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

So what if they nerf SF...there are plenty of other annoying gimmick skills out there already. It really wasn't very good outside of pvp anyway (and even then, SF team = free fame in HA) and was like 30e to do AoE dmg in PvE (2x 15e).

All this means is that there's gonna be another annoying gimmick in HA other than SF...nothing really important to talk about.