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Kay84 · Dec 31, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

The most important thing I learned during the last 19 months of gw is that you can learn from anyone, including new players.

Francis Crawford · Jan 02, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

If XP proved anything, we could just have Chinese farming bots do our forum posting for us.

As for people's actual experience, a lot of that is context-dependent. I'm 20-30+ years older than most of you, didn't have super reflexes when I was your age, and until last month used computers with lousy, laggy (business-laptop) graphics, so no matter how much I've played the game I don't have a lot of insight into advanced use of quick-twitch tactics such as precise positioning. On the other hand, I have >2 million XP and >100 elite skills captured on my elementalist, so if you want to discuss PvE elementalist play -- farming or group alike -- my experience is quite diverse and probably pretty relevant.

elektra_lucia · Jan 03, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

It's the same with anything. Some people can do something for 10 years and still suck...

Don Zardeone · Jan 03, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Not sure if this is relevant but the problem I often have with fanforums in general is that whenever I explains something, 5 others don't get it and think I'm flaming them. Or 5 others don't get it and say I'm stupid because they think I'm wrong.

Or 5 other say something else and then democracy kicks in incorrectly and you have 100 guys agreeing with the 5 guys because they're 5 guys and I'm only 1.

Anyways. In the last few decades there have been some (I like to call them major) breakthroughs in brain research.
This is the usual example: London taxidrivers have some parts of their brain in a more developed state than other parts. Some waiters or bartenders have the ability to remember a crapload of things for a short period of time but then they forget all about it once whoever had to pay has paid his bill.

Way back in school, I learned that the brain doesn't rebuild itself, that it just becomes more stupid as time goes by and eventually fails completely. I also learned that electricity was something organic with lots of bactaria or similar things "pushing it".
(So school was/is BS)

Nowadays we find out that the brain makes new connections to speed up the process of certain things.

This is how people who do something over and over again, such as farming, become experienced... AT FARMING (the monster they usually farm).
Someone like me who does PvE a lot but does all kinds of different things, plays all kinds of different professions and plays with all kinds of different people. I somehow manage to adapt to certain situations more easily.

I also know how PvP works and can probably tell you a lot about it but because I don't actively do PvP, I also cannot do it quickly and to win.

What I'm also trying to say is that experience really are the connections that are made inside our brain.
This means that someone who has been PvPing for a year will have a huge advantage over someone who has been PvPing for 1 month.

The 1Monthguy will have to catch up with the other guy but he'll never get close... UNLESS his knowledge gathering and connection making is sped up through the means of training.

So if you're the 1Month guy, read guides, articles or find 1year guy who will teach you things so you can catch up more quickly and get on even grounds.

Having been in clans and leading clans and training people in clans for almost a decade now, I can safely say from experience (hehe) that a good trainingprogramme (doesn't have to be complicated, just aimed correcly) can probably turn a newcomer to GW into a GW championship-capable pro in maybe 1 to 2 months. (Skill unlocks not included)

But it takes a pro to make more pros...
So there...

flame away
*hides*

Don Zardeone · Jan 03, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

(if doublepost, I apologise, site doestn't want to load)

Not sure if this is relevant but the problem I often have with fanforums in general is that whenever I explains something, 5 others don't get it and think I'm flaming them. Or 5 others don't get it and say I'm stupid because they think I'm wrong.

Or 5 other say something else and then democracy kicks in incorrectly and you have 100 guys agreeing with the 5 guys because they're 5 guys and I'm only 1.

Anyways. In the last few decades there have been some (I like to call them major) breakthroughs in brain research.
This is the usual example: London taxidrivers have some parts of their brain in a more developed state than other parts. Some waiters or bartenders have the ability to remember a crapload of things for a short period of time but then they forget all about it once whoever had to pay has paid his bill.

Way back in school, I learned that the brain doesn't rebuild itself, that it just becomes more stupid as time goes by and eventually fails completely. I also learned that electricity was something organic with lots of bactaria or similar things "pushing it".
(So school was/is BS)

Nowadays we find out that the brain makes new connections to speed up the process of certain things.

This is how people who do something over and over again, such as farming, become experienced... AT FARMING (the monster they usually farm).
Someone like me who does PvE a lot but does all kinds of different things, plays all kinds of different professions and plays with all kinds of different people. I somehow manage to adapt to certain situations more easily.

I also know how PvP works and can probably tell you a lot about it but because I don't actively do PvP, I also cannot do it quickly and to win.

What I'm also trying to say is that experience really are the connections that are made inside our brain.
This means that someone who has been PvPing for a year will have a huge advantage over someone who has been PvPing for 1 month.

The 1Monthguy will have to catch up with the other guy but he'll never get close... UNLESS his knowledge gathering and connection making is sped up through the means of training.

So if you're the 1Month guy, read guides, articles or find 1year guy who will teach you things so you can catch up more quickly and get on even grounds.

Having been in clans and leading clans and training people in clans for almost a decade now, I can safely say from experience (hehe) that a good trainingprogramme (doesn't have to be complicated, just aimed correcly) can probably turn a newcomer to GW into a GW championship-capable pro in maybe 1 to 2 months. (Skill unlocks not included)

But it takes a pro to make more pros...
So there...

flame away
*hides*

Amy Awien · Jan 16, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

Experienced players, as in PvE and/or PvP, have no real way of explaining themselves to others since the thought of experience is taken as irreliavent to members of the forums, and thus, have a hard time stating or proving that what may seem to another as ineffective is actually workable and highly successful when applied properly.

I don't see why being experienced in the game would make it harder to express this experience and the idea's one has gained about the game. An experienced player could be expected to have better understanding and thus provide a thought out reasoning behind their idea's.

Unconventional ideas and points of view will always meet resistance from tradition and common sense.

Zazoo · Jan 25, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

To the OP

In my opinion when it comes to games in general some people have a natural affinity for them and pick up rules etc very quickly, others need to spend 10, 20 times the amount of time to get the same level of understanding.

But where you spend your time to get that experiance is what really matters.

If I farm all day that means I have a lot of experiance in farming but very little in PvP.
So there is no way to differenciate how the person gained the experiance, well I suppose the titles are a way of determining that.

Dzus · Jan 25, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

XP, the ingame form of leveling and gaining skill points: No. I have far too many level 20s and I'm still a noob.

Experience, the total amount of time spent ingame: Well, I've been playing for 20 months and again, I'm still a noob.

Experience in a manner of time can be pushed either way. It depends on how that time is spent. I could've played through the game with one build for 20 months, or actually worked with other builds/ideas and press onward with MyGWeducation. The former lasted for 2-3 months, running basic skills attempting to get to level 20, trudging along in Kryta, the Crystal Desert, and so on. The latter, however, opened up several doors for me. I was always scared to change my secondary profession, to the point where I made another character, leveled them up, and did it on them so as to not 'Ruin' my build, however. I never would PvP until Unferth reached 1 million XP. And at that point, I was too scared to jump in and try on him. A "The hardest thing about being a king, is losing your crown." situation, if you will. To this day I am still relitively ineffective at making PvP builds, but at least I can put forth a good effort, as opposed to before.

I would say that yes experience does matter, but wasted potential and oppurtunities do not. You can play for 2 months and beat a person who has been playing since release if you play your cards right.

¿Evan¿ · Feb 03, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Experience is the most important thing to consider when making a group for almost anything in guild wars. Experience is knowledge and knowledge is key to winning.