Curse

jesh · Jan 26, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

An IAS-ed pet would enable you to use skills more frequently and that could increase the energyburden beyond what can be maintained. An IAS like TF for your bow is expensive compared to what it gains in damage and utility skills are used infrequently, if you can bring them at all.

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Originally Posted by The Pet Guide

Things do get complicated with Call of Haste (CoH)- since it changes the attack period from 2 seconds to 1.5 seconds you can actually lose effectiveness of some skills when doing so - for example; the skill Ferocious Strike could normally be used every 8 seconds, or every 4th pet attack; it would thus add 25 damage/8seconds and generate a strike of adrenaline /8seconds and 9 energy every 8 seconds at level 12 BM. If the pet is under a call of haste however, the attack period becomes 1.5 seconds, so on the 5th attack at 7.5 seconds the skill still isn't recharged; at 9 seconds the ferocious strike gets used again, so it has gone from being every 4th attack to every 6th attack, and it has been reduced from 3.125 DPS(25/8) to 2.778 DPS(25/9); from 1/8th of an adrenaline per second to 1/9th and from 3.375 pips of energy regeneration to 3 pips.

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

If you think you have to bring more expensive skills, that is your choice. Even Predator's Pounce is a better choice then Brutal Strike, in my opinion.

Brutal Strike has higher DPS with the condition met. Brutal Strike has a higher spike capability. If you need to use it more than once, then you need to ditch the PuG and take heroes. If you're running a BM in PvP for fun, the spike is good, because it's a spike.

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Why no elite attacks? But please elaborate on why you think why my choices aren't good, refering to the guide says nothing. The guide, btw, is outdated where the skills are concerned.

Because elite attacks will obviously better. They have gold trim for a reason.

The guide is outdated on skill damages, so most of the numbers will be higher for DPS. However, energy costs have remained mostly, if not entirely the same. On foes that can suffer from bleeding, Feral+Scavenger gives you the highest spammable damage. The next best attack following those would be Poisonous bite, most likely.. 480 dmg per min, 8 damage a second. It's especially nice at lower BM, because the DPS stays the same.

Predator's Pounce is on a recharge of 5, for +29 at 12 BM.
60 seconds/5 seconds = 12, *29 damage = 348 damage per minute. This comes out to 5.8 damage per second.
16 BM has similar results. 37 damage, same recharge. 12*37= 444/60= 7.4 damage per second.

Feral Lunge @12 BM: (29*6)+(6*60)=534/60=8.9 DPS
Feral Lunge @16 BM: (37*6)+(6*60)=582/60=9.7 DPS

Scavenger Strike @ 12 BM: 34*12= 408/60= 6.8 DPS
Scavenger Strike @ 16 BM: (26+16)*12= 504/60= 8.4 DPS

Amy Awien · Jan 26, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Following the Guide's reasoning, IAS may decrease DPS (from skills) or increase it. While ferocious' 8 second recharge appears to sync better with the regular ~2 second cycle then with the IAS-ed ~1.5, skills with a 5 second recharge sync better with a 1.5 cycle. At 6 seconds, it doesn't matter

Petattacks, IAS and recharge times of skills work together a bit complicated because your pet executes the (attack) commands you give on its next attack. When you give a command just when it's done with a cycle it may get executed 1.5 seconds (or 2.1) later. This indeed complicates matters, but it also means you can use skills (almost) to the full potential of their recharge.

When given whenever it is recharged, the 8 second command will be executed (under Call of Haste) on 1.5, 9, 16.5, 24, 33, 40.5, 48, 57 and 64.5 seconds, 8 times in 64.5 seconds, while in that time the command recycled ... 8 times. The 'loss' occuring from IAS is not that high afterall.

jesh · Feb 02, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Sorry to res the dead thread, but if the pet guide is ever rewritten, what Amy wrote might be worth mentioning.
I guess Epiniphrine and company didn't bother to calculate the DPS out after the first attack cycle.
For PvE it might be more of a hit, since you won't have fights lasting long enough for a pet IAS to make up for its worth. In higher end PvE and PvP though, Call of Haste looks like a decent skill to bring along.