Curse

Elemeninki · Feb 05, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Just looking for a w/mo build where i don't have to continually heal, maybe useing mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit. Problem is that i lack Prophecies so i can't use the two latter skills.

Anyone know the anything similair to this on nightfall or factions?
And also about how high should strength be if i'm not going to be using strength, swordsmanship and healing ( no tactics =O).

Tingi · Feb 05, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

wow so many people like this.

First of all USE A SEARCH.

Secondly mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit SUCK ON A WARRIOR.

Thirdly If you want healing - put your tactics up to 11 and bring HEALING SIGNET. Then use 16 weapon and 9 str.

Wow soooo many posts like this.

Elemeninki · Feb 05, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Oh thanks a lot for the spite, really helps. There you go thinking i'm the idiot, when you've got it so wrong...

isamu kurosawa · Feb 05, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Elemeninki

Oh thanks a lot for the spite, really helps. There you go thinking i'm the idiot, when you've got it so wrong...

Well, he does have a point, as a warrior healing signet should be fine as your only heal. also, your in no position to refer to anyone else as an idiot when you can even make a build based around skills you have already chosen to use.

Crystal Titan · Feb 05, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

the original pladin build is:
Sever Artery
Gash
Galrath Slash
Final Thrust
Sprint
Healing Hands[E]
Mending
Restore Life

Strength 10
Swordsmanship 12
Healing Prayers 8

But Restor Life and Healing hands are Prophecies skills....
you can try:
Sever Artery
Gash
Silverwing Slash/mending
Dragon slash[E]
Infuse health/mending
purge signet/Mending touch
Resurrection Chant
Healsig.

if you dont use mending you dont need any points in healing prayers.

Coloneh · Feb 05, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

all you need to heal is healing signet. never use mending. and try a different secondary. there are so many things wrong here. and im sorry but i have to say you are a n00b, you asked for help and then called the person that tried to help you an idiot. that moves you from the newbie category to the noob zone.

Grammar · Feb 05, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Warriors are the best single-target damage dealing class in the game. As such, it is your job to take advantage of that and deal as much damage as you can.
Hell, some people don't even run any healing/defensive skills on their warriors.

Me personally, I still like to keep Heal Sig and Watch Yourself on my bar, along with 4 attack skills , and increase attack speed skill, and a hard rez.
I realize I'm a bit old fashioned with this setup, but I like to help out my monks by keeping Watch Yourself up at all times (HUGE "within earshot" range), and Heal Sig is nice to have around for when the s*** hits the fan and the monks are overburdened.

Now, if you insist on running even MORE self-healing/defense than that (like a W/Mo with healing prayers), then you've got a problem.
Simply put, Watch Yourself + Heal Sig is the MOST self-healing/defense you will EVER need in Guild Wars (unless you're solo farming).

kanuks · Feb 05, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Healing signet freaking sucks in pve. How many times did u manage to actually get healed by the signet? If you start healing signet when you are about 50% full health you will get healed by a faster casted healing spell by the monk. Healing sig is nearly useless in pve.

I suggest you try the [skill]vital boon[/skill], [skill]signet of pious light[/skill] combo for healing. The 6 other skills should be flail + 4 or 5 attack skills.

kanuks · Feb 05, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

wow so many people like this.

First of all USE A SEARCH.

Secondly mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit SUCK ON A WARRIOR.

Thirdly If you want healing - put your tactics up to 11 and bring HEALING SIGNET. Then use 16 weapon and 9 str.
Wow soooo many posts like this.

Wow soooooooooo many posts like this u mean. You must be the 700th to post that 16-11-9 cookie-cutter build.

sh4d0whunta · Feb 06, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

Secondly mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit SUCK ON A WARRIOR.

They dont suck its just lots of people suck using them

kanuks · Feb 06, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by sh4d0whunta

They dont suck its just lots of people suck using them

Theyre actually very good on a warrior.

LightningHell · Feb 06, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by sh4d0whunta

They dont suck its just lots of people suck using them

I have not seen a non-farming build that uses Mending, Live Vicariously, or Vigorous Spirit effectively.

Cookie cutters are good because people have proven them to be good. While new stuff is encouraged, Mending-Live Vicariously-Vigorous Spirit(-Healing Hands) is most certainly not new, and is most certainly bad. It's been here the past two years or so, and has been consistently been proven to be a waste of a slot.

Just don't use a heal, use Healing Signet, or Lion's Comfort.

Healing Signet doesn't suck in PvE. It's unnecessary, true, but it doesn't exactly suck.

kanuks · Feb 06, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Who said here that mending is good? Vig spirit/live vicariously are better than healing sig in pve. Especially since flail came out. Lion's comfort needs a lot of str and tactics in order to be efficient, and its an adrenaline skills which, like flail, drains your adrenaline meaning u can't spam others adrenaline attack skills as much.

Grammar · Feb 06, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Healing signet freaking sucks in pve. How many times did u manage to actually get healed by the signet? If you start healing signet when you are about 50% full health you will get healed by a faster casted healing spell by the monk. Healing sig is nearly useless in pve.

I suggest you try the [skill]vital boon[/skill], [skill]signet of pious light[/skill] combo for healing. The 6 other skills should be flail + 4 or 5 attack skills.

Sigh. This is why my monk hates Dervishes.
Trying to prot a Dervish or W/D with Signet of Pius Light gets real annoying real fast.

The problem with this combo is the 8 second recharge on Vital Boon, which causes many people to leave it up for a few seconds before they remove it with Signet of Pius Light in an effort to minimize the amount if time before they can cast it again.
As such, I'm always weary of casting a prot enchantment (RoF, PS, SB, SoA, etc.) on a Dervish with that little yellow arrow on their bar, because it might end up being a waste of energy. There's nothing quite like seeing a Dervish self-remove Protective Spirit when being pounded on by a boss (OMG!!, I'm taking damage! Better use teh Signet of Pius Light!).

My advice is (if you have a prot monk in your group, which hopefully you do), to use Signet of Pius Light IMMEDIATELY after Vital Boon, and to watch the upper left corner of your screen VERY carefully for monk enchantments, and if you see one, DO NOT use Signet of Pius Light. Just let Vital Boon run out if you must.
This still doesn't completely solve the problem (RoF and PS are 1/4 second casts after all), but it will help keep it at a minimum.

I still find Watch Yourself to be a better option anyway for 3 reasons:
1. As a warrior, damage mitigation > healing (monks do that so much better)
2. Said damage mitigation applies to your whole team.
3. It's pretty much free, and it's perpetual.
Heal Sig is only there for emergencies when your monks get in trouble.

LightningHell · Feb 06, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Crystal Titan

the original pladin build is:
Sever Artery
Gash
Galrath Slash
Final Thrust
Sprint
Healing Hands[E]
Mending
Restore Life

Strength 10
Swordsmanship 12
Healing Prayers 8

But Restor Life and Healing hands are Prophecies skills....
you can try:
Sever Artery
Gash
Silverwing Slash/mending
Dragon slash[E]
Infuse health/mending
purge signet/Mending touch
Resurrection Chant
Healsig.

if you dont use mending you dont need any points in healing prayers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elemeninki

Just looking for a w/mo build where i don't have to continually heal, maybe useing mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit. Problem is that i lack Prophecies so i can't use the two latter skills.

Anyone know the anything similair to this on nightfall or factions?
And also about how high should strength be if i'm not going to be using strength, swordsmanship and healing ( no tactics =O).

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh4d0whunta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

/snip

They dont suck its just lots of people suck using them

Mending in each post.

Lion's Comfort is good in PvE as it's reliant on adrenaline, which is pretty much fully abundant in PvE, and if you're trying to heal up you probably aren't attacking anyway.

Grammar · Feb 06, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Lion's Comfort is good in PvE as it's reliant on adrenaline, which is pretty much fully abundant in PvE, and if you're trying to heal up you probably aren't attacking anyway.

...which is exactly why Lion's Comfort is a terrible skill.

LightningHell · Feb 06, 2007, 04:52 AM // 04:52

In PvP, yes. Lion's comfort is horrible because of that.

In PvE, you're probably healing right after you're pummelling your foes, so it's no big deal.

Because you stop attacking doesn't mean you haven't attacked before. Although, I generally like running without any heal at all.

Epic Monkey Battle · Feb 06, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

I would have to say that using healing spells on a warrior is a waste of spent attributes. First of all mending is not a good skill and should never be used (outside of certain farming builds) in general PvE. Even if your job in your group is to just hold aggro while other things kill (DoA W/E tanks for example), and did you notice that it is a W/E doing the tanking? Not a W/Mo with mending healing hands!

For PvE warriors:

Damage = good (it's the stuff that kills the bad guys)

IAS = good (faster attacking means, more damage output)

"Watch Yourself" = good (you already have at minimum 80 armor, another 20 armor is not going to hurt)

Healing Signet = good (helps when your monks are in trouble and wont be able to heal you)

I made a new warrior in Nightfall and used frenzy on my bar and was able to get survivor (I was not a W/Mo and thus could not use mending and other bad skills, I was a W/R), my bar consisted of damage inflicting attacks (dismember, crit chop, executioners), an IAS (frenzy), sprint, watch yourself, heal sig, res sig.

I found that I could do all the attacking I want, and frenzy all I want. Because there were monks in my group that I let do the healing for me, cause monks are pretty good at keeping you alive.

fallot · Feb 06, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Sever
Gash
Final
Flail/Frenzy
Empathic Removal
Sprint
Healing Signet
Resurrection Signet.

14 Sword
11 Tactics
9 Strength

qvtkc · Feb 06, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elemeninki

Just looking for a w/mo build where i don't have to continually heal, maybe useing mending, live vicariously and vigorous spirit. Problem is that i lack Prophecies so i can't use the two latter skills.

I have a build for you:

Monk
Paragon
Ritualist

See? bring those, or any of them, and they will do the healing for you. Ok?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elemeninki

And also about how high should strength be if i'm not going to be using strength, swordsmanship and healing ( no tactics =O).

If you absolutely don't want to use tactics? Then strength should be 12+1.