Curse

remmeh · Feb 26, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Siphon Speed and Expose Defenses... nuff said.

BaconSoda · Feb 26, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

You can go ahead and flame me for this, but Wastrel's Colapse is a wonderful skill when implemented right. I've been running it on a mesmer, with Wastrel's Worry, Diversion, and Blackout (with matching Shadow Step) and it really adds the final "umph!" to a pressure build. Smack on Diversion, then the 2 Wastrel skills and it puts on some mighty pressure on smart players. Puts good monks in the situatiuons you want them to be in, "If they do they're screwed, if they don't they're screwed." If the cast through it, they lose a skill for 1 minute (in fast paced combat, this really hurts), if they don't cast through, they're damaged and on the ground, making them prime targets for a spike or warrior, or assassin. In fights with up to 3 monks, it can shut-down 1 monk with Blackout, and cripple another with Diversion +Watrels Worry/Colapse, leaving someone open for a death, be it another monk or a warrior. Diversion also cannot be removed from a target, since it is covered for a full duration by the wastrel skills. In Random PvP with only one monk, it can add insult to injury by knocking a target down at the last second after a blackout. Don't say a skill sucks because you can't find a use for it, you just haven't put it in the right position yet.

Master Ketsu · Mar 01, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Draco Angelus

The thing with [skill]parasitic bond[/skill] and it's great recharge is so you can use your combo fully without much problems.

if you want to attack, say, a monk, chances are he has hex removal, or maybe even [skill]hex breaker[/skill], using a high recharge hex, or even a reatively short rechareable 1, it can really screw with your combo, Parasitic bond really helps this way.

To add to this, its so spammable that in pvp you can stick it on every person on the enemy team. This does two things:

Serves as a cover hex for any necros or mesmers on your team, making it difficult for any monk to tell whether or not someone needs a hex removal.

Makes it harder for the opposing team to tell who your targeting. hexes like [skill]siphon speed[/skill] , [skill]Augury of death[/skill] or [skill]expose defenses[/skill] are nice but its a dead giveaway to who is going to get hit with your combo in the next few seconds.

Laenavesse · Mar 02, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

by then, however, you should have reached them and started your combo..and so far, whenever I used Expose or Siphon, it's never removed until i'm way into my chain and they're almost dead or majorly conditioned, lol

Samurai-JM · Mar 02, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Ive stopped using them altogether at this point. When you go into a battle and see an assassin hex on you its just like "oooh here it comes..." they ping the skill and a monk tosses prot spirit on them and u lose.

I've done the unthinkable today... an assasssin build with NO hexes, NO conditions, and AURA OF DISPLACEMENT!

And it worked pretty darn good

No1 expected it, with no hex I was never even seen, and thus never defended against. Free glad point with RA team ftw

Destrus The Demonic · Mar 02, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

If you give away who your going to hit with a hex it's extremely easy to heal. I find shadow prison assassins to be extremely easy to heal against because they use their hex and you can just put spirit bond up and get ready to heal. With hexes on their whole team they cant pre-prot and they will probably have a second or two less to react. This will create alot more kills expecially if the rest of your team is pressuring them too. You will need some sort of snare which will probably be a hex but its worth it to bring parasitic bond as just a distraction. An alternative would be to have a hexer on your team. These things aren't necessary but they help alot.

beltran13579 · Mar 02, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Samurai-JM

Ive stopped using them altogether at this point. When you go into a battle and see an assassin hex on you its just like "oooh here it comes..." they ping the skill and a monk tosses prot spirit on them and u lose.

I've done the unthinkable today... an assasssin build with NO hexes, NO conditions, and AURA OF DISPLACEMENT!

And it worked pretty darn good

No1 expected it, with no hex I was never even seen, and thus never defended against. Free glad point with RA team ftw

whats wrong with conditions? if the last attack in ur combo lets say is TWISTING FANGS then what are they gona to to remove it if its the last skill in your combo

Samurai-JM · Mar 02, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Nothings wrong with them, they are fantastic! Ive just been trying new(but actually very old) concepts. And nobody in RA saw it coming O_O

Sqube · Mar 02, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Tan Blademaster: I know that Conjure Phantasm is non-elite and gives you more degen. But like I said, it has the advantage of being in Critical Strikes, which is probably something that you've got a fair amount of points in anyway; Conjure Phantasm is locking your secondary and forcing you to use 4 attribute lines. Reading comprehension FTW! ;-)

clawofcrimson: And I know that degen is capped at -10; however, when people use regenerative heals (like Restful Breeze) as opposed to burst healing, that additional degen is accounted for. Reading comprehension FTW! ;-)

Spirit Axery: I think the reason a lot of people (myself included) like Parasitic Bond so much is because it's cheap and non-elite. It might not have as significant an effect as a lot of the other hexes available, but it also has the advantage that you can cast it on everyone, thereby guaranteeing that the healer can't pre-protect whoever you're going to hit with your chain. There's a lot to be said for the element of surprise.

BaconSoda: That's all well and good... but this isn't the Mesmer section. This is the Assassin section. For us, Wastrel's Collapse is such an incredibly situational skill that most of us are hard-pressed to find a reason to use it. For our class, it's the kind of skill where you have to create an entire build around it. And for the effort and (dubious) results, you're better off running just about any other build out there.

Shadowfox1125 · Mar 02, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

I mainly use..

[card]Shadow Prison[/card]

[card]Expose Defenses[/card]

[card]Siphon Speed[/card]

[card]Mark of Instability[/card]

and I've seen people use

[card]Seeping Wound[/card]

Samurai-JM · Mar 02, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

^ Definitely the most used assassin hexes in GW.

When you see them you can tell almost exactly what the rest of the build will be

Shadow Prison = BoA+BSS+TF+TLS+BS
The others are... usually pretty much the same

Samurai-JM · Mar 02, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

^ Definitely the most used assassin hexes in GW.

When you see them you can tell almost exactly what the rest of the build will be

Shadow Prison = BoA+BSS+TF+TLS+BS
The others are... usually pretty much the same

Shadowfox1125 · Mar 03, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

Another one I occasionally see is

[card]Shroud of Silence[/card]

which isn't bad.

Sqube · Mar 08, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

If the other team only has one monk, you throw that on the monk and then spike... well, anybody you want to, really.

ensoriki · Mar 08, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

A sin with enough Deadly arts and deadly paradox shroud of silence is wonderful

even if your blinded your team can kill the monk easy.

Anyways even though it doesnt work anymore when impale was a hex it was awesome.

Wastrels collapse is good, I used wastrels collapse then iron palm to knock down a foe, activated falling spider wastrels activated almost instantly after they got up, then I HoTo them when they got back up, followed by impale and signet of toxic shock.

Wastrels collapse is great if you knock down your foe first, because as soon as they get up, there down again

Kiba of hidden leaf · Mar 08, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

You can go ahead and flame me for this, but Wastrel's Colapse is a wonderful skill when implemented right. I've been running it on a mesmer, with Wastrel's Worry, Diversion, and Blackout (with matching Shadow Step) and it really adds the final "umph!" to a pressure build. Smack on Diversion, then the 2 Wastrel skills and it puts on some mighty pressure on smart players. Puts good monks in the situatiuons you want them to be in, "If they do they're screwed, if they don't they're screwed." If the cast through it, they lose a skill for 1 minute (in fast paced combat, this really hurts), if they don't cast through, they're damaged and on the ground, making them prime targets for a spike or warrior, or assassin. In fights with up to 3 monks, it can shut-down 1 monk with Blackout, and cripple another with Diversion +Watrels Worry/Colapse, leaving someone open for a death, be it another monk or a warrior. Diversion also cannot be removed from a target, since it is covered for a full duration by the wastrel skills. In Random PvP with only one monk, it can add insult to injury by knocking a target down at the last second after a blackout. Don't say a skill sucks because you can't find a use for it, you just haven't put it in the right position yet.

I'm glad you were brave enough to say that. It sounds great.