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Why_Me · Dec 15, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Kephet's Refuge? Rago's Flame Staff and Galigord's Stone Staff are both ele staves with the same exact stats, except ragos is fire and galigords is earth. Either is better than kephets.

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Originally Posted by Riceboi

Quick question:
I know you can still recieve conditions while mist form is up, but does anyone know if you can be interrupted while dazed when you have mist form up?

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

I wouldn't think so, seeing as you aren't being "hit" but I haven't tested it...
I'll check it out later, unless anyone else can confirm

Like I said before, you still get hit while under mist form, just no damage is shown.
As such...
Attacks can build adrenaline
Attacks can interrupt
Attacks can cause conditions
Attacks can do anything they would otherwise do except deal damage. Same with you.

Francis Crawford · Dec 15, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

Kephet's Refuge? Rago's Flame Staff and Galigord's Stone Staff are both ele staves with the same exact stats, except ragos is fire and galigords is earth. Either is better than kephets.

Like I said before, you still get hit while under mist form, just no damage is shown.
As such...
Attacks can build adrenaline
Attacks can interrupt
Attacks can cause conditions
Attacks can do anything they would otherwise do except deal damage. Same with you.

Guildwiki disagrees with you about the part I bolded.

I haven't tested it myself.

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

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Yeah, you're right; did testing with Mist Form right after I posted that... the KD is the real reason things don't hit/interrupt.

dont feel no pain, you still need to replace Armor of Mist with Flame Djinn's Haste... just 'cause you don't have it doesn't mean it isn't the best skill for the run

Also, I still hold to Flame Burst being better than Inferno for this. Wider AoE, and also shorter recharge if you need to spam it. And kephket's? wtf?

Mesmer in Need · Dec 15, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

yay it works me/e too!! fcing really helps, and energy or damage is not a problem. post picks soon!

Blonde Warrior · Dec 15, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

wow...thanks for sharing this build at first I though it wouldn't work, i've just tested it and cleared all of the troll cave in under 15 seconds

Dementiak · Dec 15, 2006, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I just realized why EoE didnt work on the bosses when i was trying to kill them in one go...... EoE read like this:

"Create a level 1...8 Spirit. If a non-Spirit creature within range dies, Edge of Extinction deals 14...43 damage to all creatures of the same type that are below 90% Health and within range of the Spirit. This Spirit dies after 30...126 seconds."

It doesnt kill the bosses because i noticed that after the troll guys die the boss is still at around 50% health. so EoE wont damage them.

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I guess the only way the bosses can be killed is if we spam fire spells like that on the first page.

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Why_Me

Kephet's Refuge? Rago's Flame Staff and Galigord's Stone Staff are both ele staves with the same exact stats, except ragos is fire and galigords is earth. Either is better than kephets.

but im poor I buy too much ale

Kephet's refuge = 2-3k

- universal 20/20 recharge +20% longer enchants +5 energy

Rago's flame staff = 70K+

Galigord's Stone Staff = 10K

whats the diff between this and kephet's except looks, I dont use my staff to attack anyway

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

kepkhets isn't universal 20/20, its 20% cast on prot and universal 20% recharge.
You can't say its the preferred weapon; Rago's would be better with 20% casting on fire.

Like with Flame Djinn's Haste, just because you don't have it doesn't mean it isn't the best choice.

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Dementiak

I just realized why EoE didnt work on the bosses when i was trying to kill them in one go...... EoE read like this:

"Create a level 1...8 Spirit. If a non-Spirit creature within range dies, Edge of Extinction deals 14...43 damage to all creatures of the same type that are below 90% Health and within range of the Spirit. This Spirit dies after 30...126 seconds."

It doesnt kill the bosses because i noticed that after the troll guys die the boss is still at around 50% health. so EoE wont damage them.

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I guess the only way the bosses can be killed is if we spam fire spells like that on the first page.

That doesn't make sense

and I did kill them with EoE, look back a few pages.

The conditional damage on EoE requires a creature to be under 90% health; by the time the regular trolls die, the boss is under 90% health, and does take damage from EoE. Your problem was that there weren't enough trolls in the group you were using (less deaths = less EoE damage).

And btw, spamming fire spells to kill them isn't as easy as it sounds. When mist form runs out, the boss starts smacking you with 80-100 dmg a hit. Sure, lava font makes him run away, but he also runs in and hits a few times. If he hits a few times too many, you're dead.

mwpeck · Dec 15, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

Rago's flame staff = 70K+

Why buy rago's?

a perfect Insightful Staff Head - 2K
a perfect Staff Wrapping of Enchanting - 8K
a Fire Staff obtained from a Collector - free unless you buy the mats/staff

Total price for a duplicate Rago's(except the skin): 10K

Thats what I use for mine :P

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

kepkhets isn't universal 20/20, its 20% cast on prot and universal 20% recharge.
You can't say its the preferred weapon; Rago's would be better with 20% casting on fire.

Like with Flame Djinn's Haste, just because you don't have it doesn't mean it isn't the best choice.

all you need is a 20/20 recharge , speeding up a cast can cause them to scatter early

but yeah I just think its a prefered cheap weapon

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

And btw, spamming fire spells to kill them isn't as easy as it sounds. When mist form runs out, the boss starts smacking you with 80-100 dmg a hit. Sure, lava font makes him run away, but he also runs in and hits a few times. If he hits a few times too many, you're dead.

its seriously easy, when i kill the bosses they hit me 1-2 times max sometimes not at all, just gotta keep lava font up

and spam inferno with lava font to make him run for a second

you only have 6 seconds of danger and in that time all you do is make him run away =P and with my 20/20 recharge im sometimes lucky for that top work on mist form.... easy!

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

all you need is a 20/20 recharge , speeding up a cast can cause them to scatter early

but yeah I just think its a prefered cheap weapon

Speeding up a cast is speeding up the run; and 'scattering'? They don't scatter... They don't have a chance. 1-2 steps is as far as they get if they do decide to run, in which case the Flame Burst still hits them (which is why it's better than Inferno).

Preferred weapon means 'best for the run', not 'best cheap one you can get for the run'

P.S. please stop saying "20/20 recharge". You mean 20% recharge; 20/20 is used to refer to 20% cast AND 20% recharge.

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

o yeah my bad =P

hehe anyways here the bosses dying in action lol

=D

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Yes, your way works (I've done it lots of times to test + compare), but it isn't perfect...

Taking into account the time you take to recharge energy and meteor shower(90 secs with glyph), the EoE build I used is much faster for killing bosses. And, mine has the added benefit of being under Mist Form the whole time; completely safe.

And you still haven't given a reason why you still list Inferno rather than Flame Burst. Burst is a wider range and half the recharge time, which covers enough AoE if the trolls decide to run and it's much more spammable. It may be 15 less damage in one cast, but you can cast two for every one Inferno.

And you still haven't given a reason why you still list Armor of Mist rather than Flame Djinn's Haste.

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I only need to use it once, and they are knocked down when they get hit by it, therefore no need for a larrder area of effect =] and more dmg woop woop

dont feel no pain · Dec 15, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

If i had http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:F...%27s_Haste.jpg I would use it, Im just showing the build I use, you are correct on using it insted of armor of mist =]

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

My point is you list the 'preferred build' and 'preferred weapon' but you really aren't... you're listing what you use. Everyone who stops by this thread reads that first post; it needs to be the best possible, not the best you have available.

And as for flame Burst vs inferno, you don't need that 15 more damage to kill regular trolls, and you say you spam lava font + inferno for the bosses. Spamming spells, flame burst is on top. 2 bursts for every 1 inferno means that burst is dealing more damage. "woop woop"

mwpeck · Dec 15, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Actually, I like armor of mist better than Flame Djinn's Haste for this. I dont have a problem killing them, so its pointless for me to take another AoE skill.

You might be able to use Flame Djinn's Haste more often than armor of mist, but I like how long armor of mist lasts.

In all honestly, flame djinn's haste is worse for this run, because you dont need the damage and armor of mist lasts longer and gives you more protection for when you need it.

- Tain - · Dec 15, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

I like the armor and duration on Armor of Mist, too, but the extra dmg is nice for spamming the bosses and I love a 3/4 sec cast time.