Curse

Meralda estat · Dec 05, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Ive been playing with this now for two days and love it!
Been useing my War and a Monk or Mesmer Hero. A litel stress tho it works ^^
Tho i changed it a litel. Nothing big tho take a look and see if you think something can change(Always good whit some extra help)

[War/Monk]
1.Protective Spirit
2.Healing Breeze
3.Frenzy
4.Eviscerate (Elite)
5.Executioner's Strike
6.Penetrating Chop
7.Penetrating Blow
8.Watchful Spirit

Mesmer/Monk
1.Signet of Illusions (Elite)
2.Ancestor's Visage
3.Sympathetic Visage
4.Mending
5.Balthazar's Spirit
6.Essence Bond
7.Vengeance
8.Rebirth

Been thinking about a Necro/Monk-Spoil tho 10Sec recharge for etch target is a bit much i think. Maybe with Dark Aura+Blood of the Aggressor ??

SaphireIce · Dec 05, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Meralda estat

Ive been playing with this now for two days and love it!
Been useing my War and a Monk or Mesmer Hero. A litel stress tho it works ^^
Tho i changed it a litel. Nothing big tho take a look and see if you think something can change(Always good whit some extra help)

[War/Monk]
1.Protective Spirit
2.Healing Breeze
3.Frenzy
4.Eviscerate (Elite)
5.Executioner's Strike
6.Penetrating Chop
7.Penetrating Blow
8.Watchful Spirit

Mesmer/Monk
1.Signet of Illusions (Elite)
2.Ancestor's Visage
3.Sympathetic Visage
4.Mending
5.Balthazar's Spirit
6.Essence Bond
7.Vengeance
8.Rebirth

Been thinking about a Necro/Monk-Spoil tho 10Sec recharge for etch target is a bit much i think. Maybe with Dark Aura+Blood of the Aggressor ??

ok here's why this build is flawed.
W/Mo could remove BR and give it to monk, and spend his attributes to something else than healing. And since Me/Mo has MENDING, which he has points in healing skill, so he could use BR better.
And instead of BR W/Mo should take Balthazars Spirit.
a total of -2 energy degen is fine since he's gonna have B.Spirit on. And he'll save att points from healing.

teotuf · Dec 05, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

I am really impressed by this build - the damage output by the warrior against smites is simply amazing. (Go us build finders!)

I have one question tho. What's the point of aggroing more than 1 group at a time, if you are going to kill one by one?

Madical · Dec 05, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

more energy and quicker adrenaline gain (balthazar's spirit)

Meralda estat · Dec 05, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Meralda estat

Originally Posted by Meralda estat
Ive been playing with this now for two days and love it!
Been useing my War and a Monk or Mesmer Hero. A litel stress tho it works ^^
Tho i changed it a litel. Nothing big tho take a look and see if you think something can change(Always good whit some extra help)

[War/Monk]
1.Protective Spirit
2.Healing Breeze
3.Frenzy
4.Eviscerate (Elite)
5.Executioner's Strike
6.Penetrating Chop
7.Penetrating Blow
8.Watchful Spirit

Mesmer/Monk
1.Signet of Illusions (Elite)
2.Ancestor's Visage
3.Sympathetic Visage
4.Mending
5.Balthazar's Spirit
6.Essence Bond
7.Vengeance
8.Rebirth

Been thinking about a Necro/Monk-Spoil tho 10Sec recharge for etch target is a bit much i think. Maybe with Dark Aura+Blood of the Aggressor ??

BR where is it in the Above?

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Originally Posted by SaphireIce

ok here's why this build is flawed.
W/Mo could remove BR and give it to monk, and spend his attributes to something else than healing. And since Me/Mo has MENDING, which he has points in healing skill, so he could use BR better.
And instead of BR W/Mo should take Balthazars Spirit.
a total of -2 energy degen is fine since he's gonna have B.Spirit on. And he'll save att points from healing.

The mesmer in this build has nothing in Healing. The Mesmer will use "Signet of Illusions"(Whit 16Illusion) for Mending and Balthazar's Spirit to gain Max in Attribute points.
Why i put HB on the War whas because of that i found it easyest for the war to know when he/she needs the extra Healte
Example:Happen to pull more then 3 smites then +6 Health Regen from Mending+Watchful Spirit will not be enof.
If the Monk should take Balthazar's Spirit whit 12Illusion and +X healing and then spend points in Smiting for BS. It whount be as efficients as useing Signet of Illusions that ive used as the key for this version.

ACreator · Dec 05, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I still think vigorous spirit would replace both watchfull spirit + HB..

SaphireIce · Dec 06, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

correction BR -> HB!

Anyways I just got out from a 3,2 hours long UW run with Kryth, it's pretty amazing that our own build works more than we know. Which means more update to the guide is coming. and some screen shots from Kryth. Basically we were able to clean most of the underworld. Alas I was too sleepy and dead tired so we didn't kill all the behemots(!).

I guess I can say, the build owns uw in most areas, but not Chaos Plains. Didn't try there yet :P
so see ya!

And special thanks to Professional Peter. (felt like thanking him f0r n0 reas0n..)

Kryth · Dec 06, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Sorry for the lousy Photoshop effects, too tired after that L o N g run

Anyway this is our progress without the Twin Serpent Mountain farming. The whole Ice Wastes and Forgotten Vale area is clear. We also cleared the Dryders and tried the Wrathful Spirits quest but we were a bit unlucky on that. We are pretty positive that it can be done and I will add any info I accumulate about it during our runs on the main guide as well.

Just updated the main guide too with additional monster strategies, and a few pictures. Hope you find it useful. This build did actually exceed our expectations, for it can kill many kinds of creatures. That's what keeps me and Sapphire from just leaving and not updating the guide now. It shall be improved to the point where it can use its full potential imo.

And peeps, keep up posting your own tweaked builds, they may give us ideas how to improve this. Keep brainstorming!

Sir Vengence VI · Dec 06, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Very nice

ACreator · Dec 06, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

still I think this would be better if done with a monk + dervish.

dervish can atack up to 3 foes so, if they dont agrro, this should work just great

Kryth · Dec 07, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

^ Dervish does spread aggro. Read the introduction of the guide again if you like, the principal is stated there.

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Originally Posted by ACreator

I still think vigorous spirit would replace both watchfull spirit + HB..

Be that as it may, the warrior is dead the moment he suffers from burning. If you are not going for behemoths or dryders, use it + judge's insight tho, sure why not.

Another update : I decided to upload a complete map of the Underworld and our total progress on it, should the progress increase, I will update the map as well. The map is under Closing Comments section on the guide.

Koning · Dec 07, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Ok first of all, nice guide!
Altough I don't like the idea of a 55 warrior (a warrior does not excist to be 55 but to have high armor) it seems to work pretty good (haven't done it myself). The warrior has a pretty big damage output @ 16 weapon mastery so he seems to do fine as damage dealer.

But

I think a necro is alot better @ killing the enemies you encounter here. I know, the ss necro wouldn't do any good at the smites. Thats why spoil victor is our new best friend. 105 dmg each hit (1.33 sec), that's a bit more than our friend Warrior can produce. not to mention other spells the necro can bring to speed things up (some touching, AtB etc).
The necro can also put a lot attribute points in curses to bring spells to cause even more damage (IP for example).

Thing is, if you don't want the melee enemies to flee (when there are more than 3 on you) you need to keep attacking them. If you don't do that, melee enemies in a big aggro flee. (at least, this was my conclusion after some farming with SV). So you gotta cast Spoil on a smite, and than keep hitting him with your sword/axe/wand till he's dead (sometimes casting other spells on him). this way enemies in big aggroes dont flee, otherwise they will.
It takes a bit longer to kill a whole group cause you need to wait till 1 is dead, but eh.. with Spoil Victor an aatxe is dead is about 10 hits and smites even faster!
ofcourse against ranged enemies and 3 or less groups you can cast spoil on all targets without causing them to flee.

So what would be your set up:
N/Mo
Blood 16
Curse 10-12 or only 3 if you don't decide to bring any curse spells
Protection 9 (or more if you don't use points in curse)
soulreaping rest

Spoil Victor
Insidious parasite
Vampiric touch
Vampiric bite
Balthazar spirit
Essence Bond (yes 2 essence bonds stack the last time i tried it)
Protective spirit
Rebirth (you can change it with other skills as the monk decides not do die

)

Well, your monk would look something like the ones already posted
16 heal
some divine

Mending
Watchfull spirit
Healing Breeze
Vigorous spirit
Essence bond
Both visages
Ressurrection chant

Obsidian behemoth's and other UW scum should also fall quickly to this team (warrior faces blind and whirling defense, necro can ignore this, its also easy to dodge the mealstorms, coldfires should be dead in only 1 spoil so dont worry about nrg)

Than again, we need to ask ourselves who will be tanking, cause this can also be done in the old 55 mo/w (still one of the best ways) and n/me Spoil victor way (true, no unlimited rez but you shouldn't even be dying in a smite run). The necro only needs to make sure to call his Spoil in groups of 3+ so the monk can quickly press t and attack that target till it's dead, to prevent fleeing. Altough the smites would probably take more effort since SV and AV need to be up all the time, which is maybe a bit heavy to do for necro without essence bond.

I haven't tried it out too much, but you guys asked for tweaked build

SaphireIce · Dec 07, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

cool Spoil Victor Advertisements! *switches the channel*

-_-

Carboplatin · Dec 07, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

spoil victor will take forever at the smites and the smites to ataxes ratio is very high.

the amount of time saved at the ataxes will not make up for the time lost at the smites.

Zeph · Dec 07, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Nice guide, really nice to see something different for UW.

I don't want to seem picky, but I think this bit is wrong regarding coldfires...

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They will go down swiftly enough and drop you ectos.

I have done hundreds of UW runs both pre & post AI update and I've never seen a coldfire ever drop a ecto....ever. No one I have spoken to has ever seen one drop from them either. Nor has wiki for that matter.

If you have screenshots to prove otherwise I'd love to see them though.

(Sorry if I sound like I'm trolling but I'd love to actually believe coldfires do drop ectos; it would make killing them feel less of a chore if they did.

)

Hand of Ruin · Dec 07, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Very nice... if anyone wants to give this a go, feel free to whisper me in-game. I don't have a monk so I'll have to go as warrior.

Dark Helmet · Dec 07, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

A Whammo with Mending is doing something effective... gg.

Madical · Dec 07, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

theres a screenshot in the guide i think, showing that they drop ectos
or its on one of the screenshots in this thread

Zeph · Dec 07, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Madical

theres a screenshot in the guide i think, showing that they drop ectos
or its on one of the screenshots in this thread

Is there? I see a screenie of a smite dropping a ecto and a bladed aatxe dropping a ecto. I can't see a screen of a coldfire night dropping one.

Maybe I missed it, can you post a link?

Madical · Dec 07, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

hmmm maybe im wrong, but i do remember getting one from a coldfire once (out of maybe 50 runs)
it just seems to be a really rare drop on those