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Xpl0iter · Aug 15, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I will start u off with this before i even step into this thread.

If this build of yours is pvp based, it is fine. I have worked with similar tactics before.

If your build is pve based, a few moments need to be spent over the fact that:
Each of the elements have its own usage.
You are not suppose to use one element in every different area that you enter.
Know your foe when you are entering in an area.
Please, Do not try this against imps and golems.
Regardless how synch one's build is, and how good the number looks. Remember, ele is the profession affected most by that AL (Armour Level)
I am working on my Elite capping title right now, and i know how southern shiverpeaks reacts to water skills.
There are times when you are to deal damage. Fire does become a better choice in PVE at certain places. Trust me.

@saraphim
Lets follow a different route, shall we?
Try ele/ranger
with all fire skills that you usualy keep, and use winter.
I will let you play with that for a while.

@NoFace
I suggest you try those skills in practice area found in Great Temple of Balthzar. There are dummies of different armour levels. They do help alot when one is coming up with a build.

To the OP:
Try Blinding flash with iron mist. Go air spike. Watch that warrior's reaction.
Earth is more to take damage than dealing the damage. Water is more to hinder the foes still.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

PS: As i was going through your posts, i came up with a small suggestion. Try to maintain your temper when replying. If not, well, thats another case isin't? *grins*

Horseman Of War · Aug 15, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

I have to say, that while I like the raw power of earth, my elementalist is currently an ice spiker.

catch me in shiverpeak arena cuz thats where ill be til im lvl 16...

Ill see if I can remember my build- no elites capped yet on the character...

Water Attune
Ice Spear
glyph of lesser energy
shard storm
illusionary whatsit called
accumulated pain
maelstrom
(rez sig)

I won 26 games in a row last night in SP Arena... This isnt a completed build... just saw some of you guys have similar stuff so i decided to share.

Currently using the flint wand/focus that has been festering in my storage for a year...

You guys already know this, but ice spear is awesome.

I want to get rid of the accumulated pain combo (2 hexes = deep wound) simply because at higher levels, the illusionary degen spell is basically just a counter to troll unguent or mending... I might actually go straight water-build but as this is really my first elemental (after 15 months of playing) im just takin it slow (reason why im a tyria character rather than cantha)

The power of ice magic is amazing, especially if you got a good tank to catch your snares.

Plus, unless you get a 'winter-fanatic' type ranger, there really wont be anyone having armor buffs against you... the +AL Cold dmg is easily the least common for all classes (maybe dervish will change this)

Its so fun to hit someone with shardstorm as they try to run away from your ice spear spam... people just dont know how to handle an offensive water build.

So to all my fellow Hydromancers- gl hf.. let the games begin!

EDIT-> taking out accumulated and adding Fro Burst, probably ditching illusion for tonights shiverpeak slaughter.

Xpl0iter · Aug 15, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

i still love winter combo with fire heh
well, thats just me i guess

There is nothing like an ele/ranger standing between 30 imps, and using silver armour to pass through.

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 17, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoFace

First of all i must say that you kenji are my hero for today.
I started with a Waterele and i think that water willl allways be my favorite.

To everyone that says that you cant nuke with water, i say you have so wrong. It is only a little bit harder and you have to do it in a little different way and think a little more about how you use your skills.
I also want to say that maelstrom isnt worthless. I have a little tactic tho of using it. It is a good interupt spell. And if you meet a hard spellcasting boss, you will sure be happy if you manage to do what i allways try to do.
If you manage to push them in to a corner they are stuck, cant cast and takes dmg at the same time, verry good and it isnt to hard to push them in to it.

I have 2 builds, or more i have 1 build but change 1 skill for AB and PvP.
I usually get bored of second prof so i change it pretty often, thats why im only gonna go into what skills i use that is water.

I call my first one for "fast kill".
Water Trident - 5 energy, 1 sec activate, 3 sec recharge. 74 dmg
Ice Spear - 5 energy, 1 sec activate, instant recharge. 74 dmg (half range)
Maelstrom - 25 energy, 2 sec activate, 30 sec recharge. 26dmg/sec for 10 secs
Deep Freeze - 25 energy, 3 sec activate, 15 sec recharge. 90 dmg and 66% slowed for 10 secs to all foes at location
Ice Spikes - 15 energy, 2 sec activate, 15 sec recharge. 84 dmg and 66% slowed for 6 secs.
Water Attunament - 10 energy, 2 sec activate, 45 sec recharge. 30% waterskill energy cost for 62 secs.
This is an energysucking tactic.
Allways use Water Attunament befor aggro.
If there is a mob i start up with Maelstrom on the most dangerous caster, follower by deep freeze, that way he is slowed and even tho he tries to get away from the Maelstrom it takes little more time.
The name fast kill comes from this part of the tactic. Spam Water Trident and Ice Spear, fast, kinda good dmg, doesnt cost to much. Spam Spam Spam. hopefully Dead Dead Dead, if you see what i mean.
Tho Ice Spear has half range and thats why i have Ice Spikes if i really need to stay far away.

When i do AB i take mist form (10 energy, 1 sec activate, 30 sec recharge. Holds for 21 secs) insted of water trident and just spam with ice spear, not as fast but if a warrior is comming and is about to kill me, i can use mist form and run.

I can also say that with my build i can take out the 2 NPCs by myself and elementalist shrine in AB most of the time. Start up with maelstrom, deep freeze. IF they havent walked out from the maelstrom start spamming. If they have, go back and do it all over again when you have full energy again and they are not aggroed anymore.

I have the hydromancer armor. That is because i think it looks really nice.
Water Magic 16 - max, headpeace, sup water rune
Energy Storage 15 - max, sup rune
Then i have superior vigor so the other to sup runes just takes away 100 health.
As a Weapon i use Flint's fleshcleaver. thoes +5 energy means one water trident/ice spear, means 74dmg. That is why. So with the sup vigor and the +30 health from the staff i have 410 health. And with 15 energystorage +10 energy from armor and +15 energy from staff i have 90 energy.

Just for fun. one water trident does 74dmg and costs 5 energy. if i empty my energy that means 74x18=..... 1332dmg ^^

So its kinda similar to Kenjis build. Have fun freezing them to death ^.^

whoo ive been gone for a couple of days now, and i come back to see all these fresh new posts, so ill try to reply to each one

my build isnt pve based, if it was id find a way to squeeze maelstrom in there, i only call it useless because i find no taste for it in pvp, tho that doesnt mean it doesnt do anything. i just find that the whole large energy cost, exhaustion and small aoe isnt worth the trouble. that build u have, not bad, but water trident is just a long ranged ice spear, so u dont need them both, id either suggest removing water trident for mind freeze or some energy management, or remove ice spear for something like shard storm for added power. u dont need 2 low maintenence attacks, thats not wat water is supposed to be used for.

still i advise any and all alterations to fit your style, those r just pointers coming from me, and im glad ur my hero (but if u ever see me in combat i doubt ill stay ur hero ^^)

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 17, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

I will start u off with this before i even step into this thread.

If this build of yours is pvp based, it is fine. I have worked with similar tactics before.

If your build is pve based, a few moments need to be spent over the fact that:
Each of the elements have its own usage.
You are not suppose to use one element in every different area that you enter.
Know your foe when you are entering in an area.
Please, Do not try this against imps and golems.
Regardless how synch one's build is, and how good the number looks. Remember, ele is the profession affected most by that AL (Armour Level)
I am working on my Elite capping title right now, and i know how southern shiverpeaks reacts to water skills.
There are times when you are to deal damage. Fire does become a better choice in PVE at certain places. Trust me.

@saraphim
Lets follow a different route, shall we?
Try ele/ranger
with all fire skills that you usualy keep, and use winter.
I will let you play with that for a while.

@NoFace
I suggest you try those skills in practice area found in Great Temple of Balthzar. There are dummies of different armour levels. They do help alot when one is coming up with a build.

To the OP:
Try Blinding flash with iron mist. Go air spike. Watch that warrior's reaction.
Earth is more to take damage than dealing the damage. Water is more to hinder the foes still.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

PS: As i was going through your posts, i came up with a small suggestion. Try to maintain your temper when replying. If not, well, thats another case isin't? *grins*

ok wat? i dont get this at all but ill do my best to reply

like ive said before, this is a pvp build, and if it were pve, i would know better than to go water all the way. if u read the build it says im not promoting water, im just attempting to explain it. like most elementalists i have fire and the other elements in my pool, so i do change depending on the area. knowing ur enemy is not advice, its common sense; its just that some ppl r too lazy to ask wat type of monsters r weak against wat.

wat is that seraphim, op, blah blah stuff. i dont get it. r u trying to teach me to use other elements? i know full well how to use them, i have unlocked most of the skills for each element and ive using them for a while now along with water.

one last thing, i dont get mad, i counter critisize when im being critisized for the wrong reasons. im not the type to be mad at insignificant things, even tho i do come off as the type. i merely use harsh words equal to how stupid i find my critict

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 17, 2006, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

I have to say, that while I like the raw power of earth, my elementalist is currently an ice spiker.

catch me in shiverpeak arena cuz thats where ill be til im lvl 16...

Ill see if I can remember my build- no elites capped yet on the character...

Water Attune
Ice Spear
glyph of lesser energy
shard storm
illusionary whatsit called
accumulated pain
maelstrom
(rez sig)

I won 26 games in a row last night in SP Arena... This isnt a completed build... just saw some of you guys have similar stuff so i decided to share.

Currently using the flint wand/focus that has been festering in my storage for a year...

You guys already know this, but ice spear is awesome.

I want to get rid of the accumulated pain combo (2 hexes = deep wound) simply because at higher levels, the illusionary degen spell is basically just a counter to troll unguent or mending... I might actually go straight water-build but as this is really my first elemental (after 15 months of playing) im just takin it slow (reason why im a tyria character rather than cantha)

The power of ice magic is amazing, especially if you got a good tank to catch your snares.

Plus, unless you get a 'winter-fanatic' type ranger, there really wont be anyone having armor buffs against you... the +AL Cold dmg is easily the least common for all classes (maybe dervish will change this)

Its so fun to hit someone with shardstorm as they try to run away from your ice spear spam... people just dont know how to handle an offensive water build.

So to all my fellow Hydromancers- gl hf.. let the games begin!

EDIT-> taking out accumulated and adding Fro Burst, probably ditching illusion for tonights shiverpeak slaughter.

yea not many ppl go with defense against water, and the few who do just do it for the look of the armor. winter fanatics r a problem, but not a threat, just kill the spirit, one vapor blade should do it and then problem solved. accumulated isnt bad on a hydromancer, its just not versitle. your not trying to put conditions, just screw up the way they fight. wat i dislike most about water is the fact that most of the skills r ice. not that its a big difference but if a-net was so intent on using so many ice themed attacks they mite as well call it ice magic lol. i am hoping for water themed duplicates and/or new water themed skills in nightfall

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 17, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

i still love winter combo with fire heh
well, thats just me i guess

There is nothing like an ele/ranger standing between 30 imps, and using silver armour to pass through.

srry but i think winter and fire isnt really cleaver, its just simple minded. combining an element with a converting spirit isnt something to be stuck on, its the same techniques only it hurts with a different dmg. u mite as well be using water and greater conflag and call it a day if thats how u like it. the whole point of using water or any other non-fire element is to learn to play it differently. using winter is just an excuse to keep using fire. srry but thats just my opinion, im not saying it doesnt work (as it does if u need the attribute of fire with a different damage). but if ur doing it just for an excuse to play fire then its not something to brag about

p.s: im not mad im just sayin

Xpl0iter · Aug 17, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenji Akatsuki

like ive said before, this is a pvp build, and if it were pve, i would know better than to go water all the way. if u read the build it says im not promoting water, im just attempting to explain it. like most elementalists i have fire and the other elements in my pool, so i do change depending on the area. knowing ur enemy is not advice, its common sense; its just that some ppl r too lazy to ask wat type of monsters r weak against wat.

Your thread opening post has pvp written No where in it. A thread starts with the very first post, which is the theme of the thread.
Heard that line "Common Sense is not very Common"? Knowing your enemy is an advice which 70% of the GW community doesn't properly follow.
Experience Also contributes greatly to this "Common Sense" Factor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenji Akatsuki

srry but i think winter and fire isnt really cleaver, its just simple minded. combining an element with a converting spirit isnt something to be stuck on, its the same techniques only it hurts with a different dmg. u mite as well be using water and greater conflag and call it a day if thats how u like it. the whole point of using water or any other non-fire element is to learn to play it differently. using winter is just an excuse to keep using fire. srry but thats just my opinion, im not saying it doesnt work (as it does if u need the attribute of fire with a different damage). but if ur doing it just for an excuse to play fire then its not something to brag about

actualy it happens to be very clever. You are saving a slot of Player when doing missions. It is that *Different* damage which counts.
Lets put it this way. I see no point to hinder foes in pve beside couple of areas. I will take any element which has a huge damage number written in spells. Reason? Because You are standing against a fire based foe. Changing that highest damage written spell taken from any other element into Icey Damage happens to be a *very* clever move.

Winter is just an excuse to use fire? dude, Lets just... *sigh* never mind. Not worth saying more. This thread just lost its touch.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 18, 2006, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

Your thread opening post has pvp written No where in it. A thread starts with the very first post, which is the theme of the thread.
Heard that line "Common Sense is not very Common"? Knowing your enemy is an advice which 70% of the GW community doesn't properly follow.
Experience Also contributes greatly to this "Common Sense" Factor.

actualy it happens to be very clever. You are saving a slot of Player when doing missions. It is that *Different* damage which counts.
Lets put it this way. I see no point to hinder foes in pve beside couple of areas. I will take any element which has a huge damage number written in spells. Reason? Because You are standing against a fire based foe. Changing that highest damage written spell taken from any other element into Icey Damage happens to be a *very* clever move.

Winter is just an excuse to use fire? dude, Lets just... *sigh* never mind. Not worth saying more. This thread just lost its touch.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

hahaha try reading the build and it will say pvp somewhere hahaha. i repeat, a dmg altering spirit isnt cleaver, its simple minded. i dont care if u save 100 players if the party limit ever went that high its still just using one element with a different dmg output. open your eyes and ull find that i did not once say it doesnt work, but its just a dumb thing to keep spamming all over the place when any 2 bit player can think it up.

this thread continues to be tasteful as long as there r ppl in need of a pvp water build, it became a bit bitter when u came along in here and started saying things that no one would really give a wagon load of care about. u should be honored i take time to even shoo u away like the fly u are.

common sense isnt very common? really a dumb thing to say in a help collumn where ppl who dont know things come to learn. im not going to flame u, but im better some1 else will if they feel offended by it lol. <--nice going, whos lacking common sense now?

y dont u just leave this thread and dont come back the ppl who come here arnt here to hear your half thought ideas that were probably inspirited if not bitten off of someone elses.

if u think ur so smart, go post both of ur half brained idea in ur own thread, and see how many ppl tell u how lame u r for reminding every1 wat is obviously a simple thing to do

p.s: that "regards: an elementalist" thing is really stupid, guru created a screen name for ppl who want to know who is "regarding" what

Xpl0iter · Aug 18, 2006, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Kenji. Let me make this post quite simple for u.
I just found that ur a simple ass who has no clue.

Edit your first post, Copy and paste every thing in a notepad, and search PVP. You will not find PVP written ANY WHERE IN it. SO Stop eating my head.

I became bitter when i found u Rude at first place, which you will see me notifying u in my very first post.

With regards to Common Sense, Read Common Sense is Not So Common

My half thought idea still made quite a sense actually. This also show that you lack common sense.

I would like u to paste one person out of any thread who reminded me of how lame i really am. Could u kindly do that? If not, I suggest u stop trying to pick on me which is not working to be honest.

As far as my Last Part for Regardz go, your just trying to convey a msg that your extremely pissed and attempting to flame me in every possible way

Please, refrain from doing so.

Regardz
A person who does believe in "Common Sense is Not Very Common"

PS: I have had my threads posted long time back with regards to ELE vs NECRO issue.

LightningHell · Aug 18, 2006, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenji Akatsuki

hahaha try reading the build and it will say pvp somewhere hahaha. i repeat, a dmg altering spirit isnt cleaver, its simple minded. i dont care if u save 100 players if the party limit ever went that high its still just using one element with a different dmg output. open your eyes and ull find that i did not once say it doesnt work, but its just a dumb thing to keep spamming all over the place when any 2 bit player can think it up.

this thread continues to be tasteful as long as there r ppl in need of a pvp water build, it became a bit bitter when u came along in here and started saying things that no one would really give a wagon load of care about. u should be honored i take time to even shoo u away like the fly u are.

common sense isnt very common? really a dumb thing to say in a help collumn where ppl who dont know things come to learn. im not going to flame u, but im better some1 else will if they feel offended by it lol. <--nice going, whos lacking common sense now? -comment by LightningHell ~ Who's flaming now? Begging your pardon, of course, my...er...Ascalonian Squire.

y dont u just leave this thread and dont come back the ppl who come here arnt here to hear your half thought ideas that were probably inspirited if not bitten off of someone elses.

if u think ur so smart, go post both of ur half brained idea in ur own thread, and see how many ppl tell u how lame u r for reminding every1 wat is obviously a simple thing to do

p.s: that "regards: an elementalist" thing is really stupid, guru created a screen name for ppl who want to know who is "regarding" what

Who's getting mad at who?

To your original build...and your skill selections...

I am presuming enemies have a rudimentary ability to cooperate.

(1st one)

Dual attunements are fragile.

With Ice Spears, you have to be quite close to the enemy. Overextending isn't the first thing you want to do as such a fragile squishy.

Blurred Vision is fine, as is Ice Spikes, and Vapor Blade. Except I prefer Deep Freeze, but whatever rocks your boat.

Arcane Echo has a horrid recharge, why is that in there?

(2nd)

I don't have Factions, and so cannot really comment on Fort Aspenwood. However, I do think using Drain Enchantment is better than Revealed Enchantment - you aren't going to use that enchantment anyway.

Also, Energy Tap is an extremely long cast that screams for an interrupt.

(3rd)

Mind spells are generally a waste of your elite - without Elite energy management, an elementalist is usually either useless, beating up crap opponents, or is begging for energy.

The comments on the (2nd) apply.

Btw, Shatterstone is one...bad...elite.

Again, I state that I am presuming that your foes have some kind of PvP ability.

Energy is usually needed.

And to your comment about water not needing heals, etc...better reproduce the post...

I'm in BOLD.

Quote:

Water is a debuffer I don't see a lot of debuffs in there and having a self buff in there is a complete U turn from the purpose. There is no room for heals or prots Well, you ARE Mesmer secondary and even if there is it will weaken water is one way or the other Not really by that much. for example, a heal will either decrease damage output which isn't much anyway, lower/eliminate blind snares are enough for a warrior, but unless you face a RSpike group I don't think Blurred Vision is that good, and/or reduce slow time. If it works for u, great. For me, not really. Respecting that.

I suggest you take a look at this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR's Character Builds thread

Hydro
Elementalist/Monk

Weapon Set 1:
Weapon: +5 Energy Sword / 20% Enchantments Pommel
Offhand: Water Focus / (20% recharge on Water Magic) / +30hp

Weapon Set 2:
Weapon: +5 Energy Sword / +30 Fortitude Pommel
Offhand: Water Focus / (20% recharge on Water Magic) / +30hp

Purpose: Snares, and some mediocre damage on the side. Works well in builds that require heavy anti-kiting, such as Smite or general melee-heavy pressure builds. Not particularly strong in a spike oriented build, although Vapor Blade will let you help finish targets off.

Energy Storage: 10 (9+1)
Water Magic: 14 (12+2)
Healing Prayers: 9 / Earth Magic: 9
Protection Prayers: 3

- Vapor Blade (Water Magic)
- Ice Spikes (Water Magic)
- Shard Storm (Water Magic)
- Deep Freeze (Water Magic)
- Heal Party (Healing Prayers) / Ward Against Melee (Earth Magic)
- Draw Conditions (Protection Prayers)
- Ether Prodigy [Elite] (Energy Storage)
- Resurrection Signet ()

Granted, I don't really run that in PvE, but hey, if I were to go water without another element in PvP, I'd run something like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffy Butt

Uhhhhhh, very nice build! I've seen Earth nukers, Air Spikers and Nukers... why hasnt anyone posted a aquaman... I'll just call it Ice Nuker Anyways The reason no one has posted a Ice Nuker is because its not super great, all of the elementalists elements has there advantege

Fire - VERY Powerful Damage and Deadly short time degen (Nuker)

Fire rating: Damage 4/4 () Degen Effect 3/4 () Overall rating 7/8

Earth - Deadly Armor Ingoring but causes exhastion also has powerful EoE spells (Earth Nuker)

Earth rating: Damage-3/4 () Armor Effect-3/4 () Overall rating-6/8

Air - Good Damage the 25% penatration is a killer to tanks and almost every spell has 25% (Air Spiker)

Air rating: Damage-1/4 () Armor Effect-4/4 () Overall rating-5/8

Water - More damage than Air (most of the time) but less than Fire, Has powerful slow hex spells but not very helpful when against another spell caster, against tanks yes, useful. (Ice Nuker)

Water rating: Damage-3/4 () Slow Effect-1/4 () Overall rating-4/8

The reason water isn't used much is because its the weakest of the 4, earth and air even beats it.

one thing, wat?
r u giving my water build a compliment? or r u insulting water in general? and that comparison/chart/statistics/list thing, very pretty, did u come up with it urself or did some echo nuker for life give it to u? Maybe u saw some half bit water-attempting build that included maelstrom and rust. Maybe u were just observing some ice imps. Uve got it backwards my very confused friend. Fire is all about damage, and the short time degen that is burn is about as strong as 2 flares. Fire doesnt not pride itself on killing targets but instead tenderizing a group at the cost of energy. aeromancy is the focus of one individual and putting relentless pressure on them. earth is more self area cast and knockdown. Tho it is strong its true purpouse is to alter the battle field, some people take it's high damage as its only purpose of use. Earth is also the anti-warrior, not water. Water is the anti-caster, not the other way around. Water draws its power from debuff and foe weaken attacks. The damage is a higher than air and the recharge is lower than fire, making it a middle man for the two.

i dont know who u think u r coming into a thread dedicated to helping people with playing the game and trying to promote elements clearly already popular. rite now im still being polite, but i can guarantee u that if u post this again into some other person's build thread u will get a facefull of hostility much worse than this. and a word of advice, make sure u get your information correct before u decide to use words like deadly, short degen, and watnot. no one cares for your 4 out of 4 rating or 5 out of ten or w/e. remember that and dont repost telling me wat u ment to say, cuz its pretty obvious wat ur saying.

the tru reason y people dont try water is because they think like u and follow the crowd on choices (hence the "wat is the best 2nd prof for my character" questions). they r usually answered with fire because its "strongest".

oh and the build is called Aquaman, not some uncreative, 2 sec thought processed thing like ice nuker. if i wanted to call it ice nuker then i wouldve. and another thing, i used the term stormer, not nuker to discribe my build. another reason why u dont call it ice nuker

In PvP:

Fire is about mindless damage that usually doesn't damage much anyway. I don't see it used much except in HA where mindless AoEs rule.

Earth is about warding, probably nothing more. Obsidian Flame has an Exhaustion tag, Crystal Wave/Aftershock/Teinai's Crystals...err...right. Shockwave, I've heard, though, is nice in HA. Earth isn't for taking out "tanks" (I take it you mean warriors), other "tanks" are.

Air Magic is spiking, and what I usually run; Flashbot with Gale.

Water Magic is about snaring, and that really pisses off either: Warriors that are attacking your team, or casters who are trying to kite your warriors (or overextended warriors can take the caster's place, your choice). Usually you can't get through to their baseline and cast a 3s Deep Freeze on them, so...

None of the lines have actual decent "damage".

Quote:

To everyone that says that you cant nuke with water, i say you have so wrong. It is only a little bit harder and you have to do it in a little different way and think a little more about how you use your skills.

YOU CAN'T NUKE WITH WATER! =D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But I believe Fire nuking is for the MS Knockdowns; Earth nuking is for laughs; Air doesn't nuke at all; and Water "nuking" isn't used because you don't really need the slowdowns in PvE. In HA..well...haven't played there for ages.

Generally, I don't support Elementalist "nuking".

And of course, your opinions shall remain opinions.

Xpl0iter · Aug 18, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Lightninghell just pwned someone.

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 20, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

Who's getting mad at who?

To your original build...and your skill selections...

I am presuming enemies have a rudimentary ability to cooperate.

(1st one)

Dual attunements are fragile.

With Ice Spears, you have to be quite close to the enemy. Overextending isn't the first thing you want to do as such a fragile squishy.

Blurred Vision is fine, as is Ice Spikes, and Vapor Blade. Except I prefer Deep Freeze, but whatever rocks your boat.

Arcane Echo has a horrid recharge, why is that in there?

(2nd)

I don't have Factions, and so cannot really comment on Fort Aspenwood. However, I do think using Drain Enchantment is better than Revealed Enchantment - you aren't going to use that enchantment anyway.

Also, Energy Tap is an extremely long cast that screams for an interrupt.

(3rd)

Mind spells are generally a waste of your elite - without Elite energy management, an elementalist is usually either useless, beating up crap opponents, or is begging for energy.

The comments on the (2nd) apply.

Btw, Shatterstone is one...bad...elite.

Again, I state that I am presuming that your foes have some kind of PvP ability.

Energy is usually needed.

And to your comment about water not needing heals, etc...better reproduce the post...

I'm in BOLD.

I suggest you take a look at this:

Granted, I don't really run that in PvE, but hey, if I were to go water without another element in PvP, I'd run something like that.

In PvP:

Fire is about mindless damage that usually doesn't damage much anyway. I don't see it used much except in HA where mindless AoEs rule.

Earth is about warding, probably nothing more. Obsidian Flame has an Exhaustion tag, Crystal Wave/Aftershock/Teinai's Crystals...err...right. Shockwave, I've heard, though, is nice in HA. Earth isn't for taking out "tanks" (I take it you mean warriors), other "tanks" are.

Air Magic is spiking, and what I usually run; Flashbot with Gale.

Water Magic is about snaring, and that really pisses off either: Warriors that are attacking your team, or casters who are trying to kite your warriors (or overextended warriors can take the caster's place, your choice). Usually you can't get through to their baseline and cast a 3s Deep Freeze on them, so...

None of the lines have actual decent "damage".

YOU CAN'T NUKE WITH WATER! =D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But I believe Fire nuking is for the MS Knockdowns; Earth nuking is for laughs; Air doesn't nuke at all; and Water "nuking" isn't used because you don't really need the slowdowns in PvE. In HA..well...haven't played there for ages.

Generally, I don't support Elementalist "nuking".

And of course, your opinions shall remain opinions.

hahaha i started rolling when i saw "cant use mind spells without an elite to back it up" haha good one i actually thought u had something there until i found out wat an idiot u were. lol the one getting mad was never me, i point out stupidity in every case i see, like this one...and u lol. who said u can nuke with water? didnt u just quote me saying u cant? some1 needs to check their contacts lol. as for the rest of that giberish, theres a reason for it but if ur too stupid to see then u dont need this build, go use maelstrom or maybe u can jump on the stupid wagon with xploiter over there and go with fire+spirit hahahahaha. some1 owned who? i owned both of u hahahaha

theres no reason for both of u to be here, if this gets shut down cuz of flaming ill repost it to help the others out there, no problem.

p.s: xploiter i have yet to see ur spirit+nuking thread lol. and for lightning maybe u would look less like an idiot if u didnt jump in on some1's discussion moron

LightningHell · Aug 21, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Kenji Akatsuki

hahaha i started rolling when i saw "cant use mind spells without an elite to back it up" Look below haha good one i actually thought u had something there until i found out wat an idiot u were Who's getting mad?. lol the one getting mad was never me Paradox?, i point out stupidity in every case i see, like this one Paradox again?...and u lol. who said u can nuke with water? didnt u just quote me saying u cant No, I was just having huge fun saying something that people said we shouldn't be saying. Anyway, let's say...this may deal a tad bit more damage than a typical Fire ele, but I hate nukers in general anyway.? some1 needs to check their contacts lol. as for the rest of that giberish, theres a reason for it but if ur too stupid to see then u dont need this build If it's so stupid, then pray tell us where, our stupidity , we err in our explanations, not useless "u ar stupid" posts., go use maelstrom Maelstrom is useless, with its tiny AoE, 25e, and Exhaustion tag. or maybe u can jump on the stupid wagon with xploiter over there and go with fire+spirit hahahahaha I don't use fire, period. I am another Air/Water user. Occasionally warder.. some1 owned who? i owned both of u hahahaha

theres no reason for both of u to be here, if this gets shut down cuz of flaming ill repost it to help the others out there, no problem. I am a long time Elementalist forum poster, so if you're to argue who's supposed to be here...

p.s: xploiter i have yet to see ur spirit+nuking thread lol. and for lightning maybe u would look less like an idiot if u didnt jump in on some1's discussion moron One: Who's getting mad again? Two: I don't have to explain Why Nuking Sucks and exhaustion all over?

Mind spells have exhaustion, deal a petty 50 damage or so, and another conditional 50. I expect more from a 15-energy exhaustion-tagged spell. Especially if it's elite.

I mean, I'd take Ether Prodigy or Elemental Attunement as an elite (although I greatly prefer Elemental Attunement), since after your "spike" you probably need about 3 minutes to regen all your energy to recast your "spike", which probably won't kill if there is any sort of monk primary or secondary that does not include Monk Wammo.

And I'm in BOLD.

bigwig · Aug 21, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

where are the mods for this forum. if its not flaming like above, its bringing the "eles are underpowered" into every thread.

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 21, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

ty for using dictionary words, we all know wat they mean just put it in laymans terms, u dont look smart saying crap like paradox. i dont really care who is supposed to be here, as for this thread especially, i belong and own it, so ur place is somewhere else. i dont care how long uve been an ele ive probably either been one longer or equally as long.

mind spells r elites, u cant use e-attune with them, wat r u talking about. im not insulting ur knowledge, im critisizing how u hop on the ass of a 2man conversation and think u can say something and get away with it.

now maybe if i can clear up a bit for u on simple things, maybe an explanation for y a-echo? having 3 skills (as in the casual carry of aquaman) to attack with is pretty bad, especially when 2 of them have 8-15 recharge. blurred vision or any other support skills u carry in water is just about as of a recharge. i dont care if echo takes forever to use because the amount of time u get while ur echoed will make up for the recharge of it.

i really am getting tired of replying to things i dont need to, ur not a bad player, its just u gotta learn wat arguements to jump into and wat arguments to not jump into. this time u picked the wrong argument to enter at the wrong time. too bad for u.

as for xploiter, yea some1 needs to slap his eyes straight and knock some sense into him. some1 that stupid saying nonsense and spreading basic info as if it was something genius that no one couldve ever thought up doesnt even deserve to comment to him, and ive taken to releaving myself of stress and not even bother to responding to him, no need to waste my breath on a beginner who probably just made an ele for 2 months and thinks hes all that

as for u? im going to cease responding to u as well, saves me the trouble of reposting my build if a mod closes my thread. type watever u want, but dont expect anything back unless its actually a respectfully stated question or comment.

LightningHell · Aug 21, 2006, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Kenji Akatsuki

ty for using dictionary words, we all know wat they mean just put it in laymans terms, u dont look smart saying crap like paradox Paradox is quite a common word, actually.. i dont really care who is supposed to be here, as for this thread especially, i belong and own it, so ur place is somewhere else. i dont care how long uve been an ele ive probably either been one longer or equally as long May 5th 2005?.

mind spells r elites, u cant use e-attune with them, wat r u talking about I'm talking about why I don't use them - it's implausible enough to use it. im not insulting ur knowledge, im critisizing how u hop on the ass of a 2man conversation and think u can say something and get away with it.

now maybe if i can clear up a bit for u on simple things, maybe an explanation for y a-echo? having 3 skills (as in the casual carry of aquaman) to attack with is pretty bad , especially when 2 of them have 8-15 recharge Get your point, but it's still sub-par, and sub-par skills are generally ignored in PvP.. blurred vision or any other support skills u carry in water is just about as of a recharge. i dont care if echo takes forever to use because the amount of time u get while ur echoed will make up for the recharge of it Suits you, but I don't like having myself down for half the time or more.

i really am getting tired of replying to things i dont need to, ur not a bad player, its just u gotta learn wat arguements to jump into and wat arguments to not jump into. this time u picked the wrong argument to enter at the wrong time. too bad for u. Not sure what you mean by that - every thread you open in GuildWarsGuru is open to outside criticism. Of course, if you mean this is for RA, fine, I don't do much of that, but they don't generally last long enough for you to "spike" more than once. Or AB, where people, I've heard, are the equivalent of headless ducks - but I don't have Factions and so will not know.

as for xploiter, yea some1 needs to slap his eyes straight and knock some sense into him. some1 that stupid saying nonsense and spreading basic info as if it was something genius that no one couldve ever thought up doesnt even deserve to comment to him, and ive taken to releaving myself of stress and not even bother to responding to him, no need to waste my breath on a beginner who probably just made an ele for 2 months and thinks hes all that Not sure how long he's been playing, but he's not really talking about the elementalist in general, just about how you word your stuff. And some miscellenia, of which, I have to admit, I think is quite correct.

as for u? im going to cease responding to u as well, saves me the trouble of reposting my build if a mod closes my thread. type watever u want, but dont expect anything back unless its actually a respectfully stated question or comment. There you go.

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-bigwig] where are the mods for this forum. if its not flaming like above, its bringing the "eles are underpowered" into every thread. One: I never said they were underpowered - I Flash/Waterbot quite happily, thank you. And please state who do you think is flaming.

Bold, again.

Two questions: Where was I unrespectful? and Where do you play this build? and Will you pick up on some of the other points I made in my longer post?

Xpl0iter · Aug 21, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Seriously, there is a limit to push ur stupid concepts. Specially when people who are speaking here ( not including myself here ) do have quite a vast amount of expereince.

Kenji, before you even pick on me, I seriously recomend you getting a therapist. Your ideas are fairly gimped. Continue calling me moron and what not. It still doesn't change the facts that you are still clueless when it comes to eles.

I suggest you Re-Read Lighting's Post. Where he pointed out about Water nuking comment, he pointed you out right.
You said:

Quote:

To everyone that says that you cant nuke with water, i say you have so wrong. It is only a little bit harder and you have to do it in a little different way and think a little more about how you use your skills.

Read it 3 times atleast.

I do not want to pick on you with the kind of language that you are using. I have a reputation to maintain, unlike your self who has been bashed enough already. People who laugh without a purpose in their posts just try to imply that they are maintaining their cool while trying to flame someone else. But then, i shouldn't bother my self with teaching you every day manners either right?

PS: This thread is clearly ignored from now on.
Lighting and biggy, see ya in other threads.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Silk Weaver · Aug 21, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

I thought it was Guild Wars GURU when LightningHell told me to lurk the place... Seriously. Shouldn't there be regulations against

1. Multi posting

2. Insults

3. Lack of any basic attempts at English

4. Stupidity and speedening the decline of the human race, bringing about the eventual doom of the entire universe, and thereby ensuring that we will...etc

Hey, Lightning, I could ask you online, but I'm just going to ask you here-- are there mods here? =( Insults and trashtalking should not be tolerated.

LightningHell · Aug 21, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silk Weaver

I thought it was Guild Wars GURU when LightningHell told me to lurk the place... Seriously. Shouldn't there be regulations against

1. Multi posting

2. Insults

3. Lack of any basic attempts at English

4. Stupidity and speedening the decline of the human race, bringing about the eventual doom of the entire universe, and thereby ensuring that we will...etc

Hey, Lightning, I could ask you online, but I'm just going to ask you here-- are there mods here? =( Insults and trashtalking should not be tolerated.

Not unless Ensign posts something here - which he should since this is for PvP, and is generally misleading. I don't know, should I use harsher words?

Not that he's compelled, bound, or obliged to, but I'd be grateful if he does. :P

Actually - Ensign's not a mod here, but he carries enough weight.