Curse

TaiClaw · Aug 24, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Fulle

Correction: 375 - 65 (15%) = 315

*have to correct this, 248 is nothing, making my build sound like crap.

2 Deaths then?

Yanman.be · Aug 24, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

There's no point arguing that fighting without a monk means A) RA B) Stupid in GvG, TA, HA.

Now. There's a reason why JR- doesn't want a RA forum. Because it involves little to no tactics, we already have a TA forum with the same tactics, and it's RANDOM!

Basically, it's like placing a shock warrior full with defensive stances in a gvg because he's in the frontline. Me no like.

ubermancer · Aug 24, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Fulle

Correction: 375 - 65 (15%) = 315

*have to correct this, 248 is nothing, making my build sound like crap.

15% is taken off of the base 480 for level 20 characters.

And since 5% of 480 = 24, 15% of 480 = 72. And your original post specified having 320 HP.

Yanman.be · Aug 24, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

He corrected himself later, after some comments by people who care about the assassins in this forum. WE DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO DIE!!!!

SAPhoenix · Aug 24, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I never said I was the best sin. ( ok maybe I did )

Attributes are funny things.
I agree, high attributes = win. That's why most of my builds are pretty straighforward, and only run 2 attributes ( shock doesn't need air magic for instance ). I'm running 15 dagger and 14 critical strikes.

Minimum should be 13 critical, and 12 dagger mastery.

Assassins are killing stuff. Not taking damage , so you can heal it. That's why I don't bother bringing healing or defense.

The reason why bringing health is superior to healing yourself, is because you cannot take it way. Healing gets interrupted, stripped, you're e-drained, blacked out.
Most damage in PvP is also armour-ignoring( from warriors , necro, degen )

Man, I'd love to place 7 degen and a deep wound on you guys.

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Fulle, I'd take 1 main weapon: Zealous 15>50 +30. Dagger mastery grip isn't worth it unless you take like 7 dagger attacks.

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Taiclaw, so you are saying, that everyone has no skill, because they use monks? O RLY? Let me go tell EW that they should leave their monks alone, because it shows lack of skill.

I'd rather have 13 Critical and 12 Dagger and a self heal than 14 in Crit and 15 in Dagger just so I can kill more efficiently. Guess what, with 13 Crit and 12 Dagger, you can still spike! Amazing isn't it? And I'd rather have the minimum in Dagger and Critical with a self heal, than maxed without. To say that it is disadvantageous for an assassin to bring a self heal, is a poor statement. I mean, geez it must be nice to just have your health naturally regen in the midst of a fight. Having a 7 hit combo on your skill bar will definitely guarantee a kill, but it won't guarantee your survival once the opposition considers you a threat. And NO amount of kiting will save you once a mes or ranger snares you.

Yes, assassins are there to kill. Its such a pity they are just as easy to kill as it is for them to kill. So kiting without a self heal works for you eh? If GvG and TA are the only places you play, then I can see why. Monk support. I play in RA and Aspenwood/AB for 1 reason; to hone my survival skills. Most times, NO ONE has your back in those environments. The unpredicatability is a great learning curve. Its up to you to look after yourself, heck, if that makes me a better PvP assassin at the end of the day, why not, instead of constantly having to be backed by a monk. Even in GvG and TA, there will come a time where you'll be without your monk and then what? Yeah, I'll kite and kite, they can't see me! I'll use my uber imaginary smoke bomb attack and imagine they don't notice me! Snare+spike=dead assassin.

Oh so you can't take health away. Hmm ok, guess that means I'll have to drop my Twisting Fangs from now on, deep wound FTL. Combos also get interrupted, your combos can still be nullified by E-Drain and Blackout. You'll still take more armor ignoring dmg without a self heal than you will with one. So your point is?

I run a Life Siphon build with maxed Blood Magic and 2 in Curses for Rigor Mortis. In places like RA or TA I'll usually let the warrior/s go in first to draw fire, then start hexing away. In one TA battle, using this tactic, I was able to take down a monk, a mesmer and a warrior with little to no assistance. The warrior got ressed and came after me, but I still took him down anyway. And all this without a monk! *gasp* And, not to mention, 375 health! *even bigger gasp*. Did I die? No. Did I have to res my teammates? Yes. My my, I think I should rather remove my Sup Runes, they make me too weak... /sarcasm.

Ah, -7 degen FTW eh. Ok, let me paint a lil scenario for ya. Fought a Shock sin in Aspenwood the other day. First time round, he caught me unawares (as every good assassin should, gg *lol*) and killed me with a degen combo. Fair enough, can happen to anyone. The next time around, he didnt have it so easy. He connected with Shock (a given) then, as he was applying degen I was just giving it right back to him (Plague Touch FTW!!!). Needless to say, that same Sin came back time and time again during the course of the fight and got his butt handed to him on a platter every single time. I'm sure he had more health than me. Didn't make him superior to me though.

The point I'm trying to make here is that everyone has their own unique way of playing, and best understands what works for them. If it works, why criticize it just because YOU think it will fail? I admire and welcome any new ideas, far be it from me to flame or insult someone just because I suspect their build will fail. If anything, I would rather offer guidelines if there are any obvious flaws. But take it from me, 2 Sup runes and a major are hardly an inconvenience. The only time ANYTHING is an inconvenience is when you don't know what you are doing. If you're so afraid of dying as an assassin, (its going to happen, no matter how good you are) rather play a whammo. High health does not equal high success. Quite the contrary actually.

Yanman.be · Aug 24, 2006, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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if you think extra attributes don't make a difference, you really need to re-think what you are saying.

Didn't you contradict yourself? Previous post, you said you wanted high runes because it makes your build better.

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Guess what, with 13 Crit and 12 Dagger, you can still spike! Amazing isn't it?

How can 13 crit and 12 dagger be better? I remember saying

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Minimum should be 13 critical, and 12 dagger mastery.

But to sacrifice so much life to get that, it's hardly worth it.

A deep wound on you and you're GG. Sure, I lose more health to deep wound than you, but I'll still have more health than you without it. ( I think

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I'm pretty succesfull in RA, because of 1 skill: Res signet. I don't care if I die. If I get a good team, they res. BEST.HEAL.EVER. Usually you also lose aggro, and i'm ready to spike again! You can win RA battles with arcane echo, echo, res signet

My "lead attack" isn't shock 100% of the time. Also, you would never be able to heal with any of your sin heals, or plague touch, because you will be dead.(with my build ) I have 1 flaw in my build: My hex has to stay on for at least 3 seconds, and I don't have a cover hex.

Did it ever occur to you that that TA group you pwned with that build, is actually a really bad team? ( For instance, back when touch rangers were still new, and no one really knew what it was ( right after factions release ) I had multiple wins where I solo'ed the entire team. ( I would fake afk, 3vs4, my team loses, I kill the rest of the enemies )).

I'm happy you have an unique way of playing. But if you post a build here, be ready to be criticized about it, carry the consequences, and don't feel attacked. I also never insulted anyone. If you think that's an insult, I suggest you go outside and have a social life.

*EDIT* Actually, if everyone ran health so low like that, my build wouldn't work: they'd die before Moebius Strike connect. Then I'd have to take out another offhand and dual attack

SAPhoenix · Aug 24, 2006, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Didn't you contradict yourself? Previous post, you said you wanted high runes because it makes your build better.

Ok, explain to me how I am contradicting myself? *lol*

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

How can 13 crit and 12 dagger be better? I remember saying

As I recall, I don't think I mentioned anywhere in my previous post that 13 Crit and 12 Dagger is better. I said I prefer it. Ok, next!

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

But to sacrifice so much life to get that, it's hardly worth it.

Hmmm, wonder why I bother then.

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

A deep wound on you and you're GG. Sure, I lose more health to deep wound than you, but I'll still have more health than you without it. ( I think

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Thats the funniest crap I've ever heard. That Shock sin used Twisting Fangs on me. Yes, gg. He had more health than me too, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I'm pretty succesfull in RA, because of 1 skill: Res signet. I don't care if I die. If I get a good team, they res. BEST.HEAL.EVER. Usually you also lose aggro, and i'm ready to spike again! You can win RA battles with arcane echo, echo, res signet

Hmm, I'm pretty successful in RA because of 3 things. My innate ability to look after myself, support my team and res sig. Nuff said. Best heal ever, perhaps, can't do squat about your energy lvls though. And if you don't lose aggro? Whoops, down you go again. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to just let a potential threat out of their sight (I for one, do not).

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

My "lead attack" isn't Shock 100% of the time. Also, you would never be able to heal with any of your sin heals, or plague touch, because you will be dead.(with my build ) I have 1 flaw in my build: My hex has to stay on for at least 3 seconds, and I don't have a cover hex.

Glad to hear it, then again I didn't say it was your only lead attack. Personally I don't prefer it (I know how effective it is, but that exhaustion! Yuck) And while I don't doubt the power of your build, (I don't recall saying it was weak), I thought 1 on 1 was considered irrevelant, taking into account you also mentioned that you play as part of a team. Besides, if I had a good team backing me, after killing me you would be taken out. And the cycle continues... Ah also glad to see you use hexes, so do I!

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Did it ever occur to you that that TA group you pwned with that build, is actually a really bad team? ( For instance, back when touch rangers were still new, and no one really knew what it was ( right after factions release ) I had multiple wins where I solo'ed the entire team. ( I would fake afk, 3vs4, my team loses, I kill the rest of the enemies )).

Did it ever occur to you that they erm, weren't? Do you honestly mean to tell me that everytime you pwn a team, automatically they are bad? Kudos to you for soloing the opposing team with your touchy, its still being done today and its rather monotonous, to say the least. *yawn* Besides, I don't see how unpredictability automatically means that the team you're fighting is lame. And by that I mean, if you have the element of surprise, doesn't necessarily make the other team bad. Unprepared, sure, but not bad. And no, you can't prepare for EVERYTHING.

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I'm happy you have an unique way of playing. But if you post a build here, be ready to be criticized about it, carry the consequences, and don't feel attacked. I also never insulted anyone. If you think that's an insult, I suggest you go outside and have a social life.

And I am glad you have a unique way of playing. Doesn't mean you're the best assassin out there, neither am I. Therefore, it doesn't particularly make you an authority on all things assassin-related (same applies to me). Therefore, I might rethink the bit you said about not having insulted anyone. As quoted:

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

You can't even kill a boonprot ( a good one ) alone.

Here's another good one:

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Conclusion: No point comparing 2 playstyles ( mine, aka damage ) or yours ( no damage, but no real survival either ). Furthermore, it's damn right stupid to run more than 1 sup, or 2 majors.

Oh and to round off:

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I suggest you go outside and have a social life.

Well if we aren't going to call that insulting, I have 2 words for it. Blatant arrogance. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but I don't think that applies. Oh and thanks, I do have a social life, I'm sure you do too

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

*EDIT* Actually, if everyone ran health so low like that, my build wouldn't work: they'd die before Moebius Strike connect. Then I'd have to take out another offhand and dual attack

Yeah you're right. Good thing this is a team game right?

stefanie · Aug 24, 2006, 10:21 AM // 10:21

i like to go afk in alliance battle to increase my survivor title

Yanman.be · Aug 24, 2006, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I'm sorry for insulting you.

SAPhoenix · Aug 24, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I'm sorry for insulting you.

Apology accepted, and I too am sorry if I offended you.

From this point on, I will say no more.

Yanman.be · Aug 24, 2006, 10:32 AM // 10:32

I'm not easily offended. I'm laughing because I just say a boonhealinlightmonk~Idon'twhatitis with savage shot and distracting shot.Needless, to say, I pwned him.

JR · Aug 24, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. One side is looking at things from a AB/RA perspective, and the other from a serious PvP perspective. Untill you both realise that there are differences involved this will go nowhere.

Yes, you can run Dual Superiors and kill stuff succesfully and quickly in RA. You can also run a Water Trident Sword Warrior with Conjure Frost and Frozen Burst in RA and own face. The thing is; RA and Alliance Battles are quite simply 'scrub PvP', you can get away with a whole lot that you would be punished severely for in GvG or the better teams in TA.

Thread closed, and please refrain from petty arguments in future.

(DAMN YOU for ruining my post by making up with each other whilst I wrote it....)