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bokken · Aug 14, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Just want to remind people that all necros are NOT from Tryia. Therefore they have not been able to cap Spiteful Spirit yet, in order to be an SS necro build.

When you find yourself in a group with another necro and ask the other necro to be an SS so you can go MM please do not immediatly quit the group in anger or ask the group leader to kick out the *nooob* who cant SS.

It may very well be that the *noob* is a Canthan born character and has not yet gone to tyria to cap SS.

Pick Me · Aug 14, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

I have never been in a group that has ever said, "we need SS", and kick someone out.

No all Necros are from Tyria. That is true. Not all Necros have SS, this is also true. No all Necros have Animate Flesh Golem, again this is true. It is better to have a variety of characters that can do different things. You don't need 2 or 3 MMs for a mission, you don't need 2 or 3 B/P Rangers, you don't need 2 or 3 bonders and no healers. So if you don't have SS, thats fine, but don't just say I'm only MM. This will limit you a lot. But in Canthas, there is a high demand for MMs. So don't worry about it.

carribus · Aug 14, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

If you don't have SS, just cap it. From Gates of Kryta, run back to Beacon's Perch. Catch a ride to Droks (via Rankor) and do the cap. I did mine this weekend... no excuses :P hehehehe

Back to the point. Yes, no all necros are from Tyria.

bokken · Aug 14, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

hmm - double post

bokken · Aug 14, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by carribus

If you don't have SS, just cap it. ... no excuses :P hehehehe

Point well taken

Ill do just that -

Pick Me · Aug 14, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

However, not all Necros do not have Prophecies. So they cannot get SS.

My statement was addressed so if you don't have Prophecies, then not to worry, Canthas parties still need MMs.

holden · Aug 14, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by bokken

Point well taken

Ill do just that -

yeah if you got prophecies cap it. it's a lot of fun and a nice change from mm.
there's always a group with aholes throwing the noob word around. don't sweat it. cap the skill and the next group will be none the wiser

Dark Tykane · Aug 14, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

However, not all Necros do not have Prophecies. So they cannot get SS.

My statement was addressed so if you don't have Prophecies, then not to worry, Canthas parties still need MMs.

Great point here there is no possible way for these characters to use SS. Factions was meant to be a game that could stand alone from Prophecies if needed so there must be no absolute need for SS.

ZenRgy · Aug 14, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

SS is pretty horrible in PvE unless enemies are balled etc, I've only see it be really effective in The Deep and UW.

MM's are better in PvE as are Battery/Blood necros. SS works, but I think you can do more with a necro in PvE than SS or MM, but maybe it's because I've been playing those builds for 2 years.

CHUIU · Aug 14, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Horrible in PvE? You got it the other way around, its horrible in PvP and almost as good as a nuker in PvE.

ZenRgy · Aug 15, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

It's pretty good pressure and anti-iway in PvP. In PvE I don't see many enemies balling up. It's not a terrible skill, just... Eh.

FyrFytr998 · Aug 15, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

It's pretty good pressure and anti-iway in PvP. In PvE I don't see many enemies balling up. It's not a terrible skill, just... Eh.

Umm...In PvE SS is an Atom Bomb! As a SS'er you don't need the enemies to be balled up. Smart PvE'ers don't take on huge mobs where SS is its deadliest. At most you take on groups of 5 to 8 enemies, maybe even smaller. Over aggroing gets you dead. A SS Necro with a Mesmer secondary can totally cripple most groups together or spread apart. Just cast Arcane Echo and tab through each enemy, and cover with Parasitic Bond. In no time flat most enemies will be dead or severly on thier way to becoming so. So I can't understand your assertation that it isn't that great in PvE. But everyone is entitled to thier opinion.

I think that's a general misconception about SS. Most people think it's primarily for killing mobs. Although very efficient at it, think of it more as a spell to make your enemy pay for thier actions against you. PvP'ers will stop and wait for it to end or remove it themselves, and PvE enemies are just to stupid to stop attacking. So they die.

WarEnsemble88 · Aug 15, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

This is a stupid newbish post.

If you're so worried about SS do the following:

1) Take your Canthan born Necro to Lions Arch

2) Fight your way to Beacons with henches

3) Pay someone 3K (or less) to run you to Droks. (with a stop off at Beacons)

4) Leave from Beacons and cap SS (It's one of the easiest caps in the game)

Pretty simple, or at least I found it simple.

If you don't own Prophecies get a job and buy it.

holden · Aug 15, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

SS is pretty horrible in PvE unless enemies are balled etc, I've only see it be really effective in The Deep and UW.

MM's are better in PvE as are Battery/Blood necros. SS works, but I think you can do more with a necro in PvE than SS or MM, but maybe it's because I've been playing those builds for 2 years.

i'm speechless

ZenRgy · Aug 15, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

*sigh*

Fine, SS is the best elite around, every necro should have SS right now and use it as much as possible.

Like I said, my view is probably wrong and I'm only saying that because I'm sick of the SS build because I played it too much and it seems to be the flavour of the month.

I prefer running disabling builds such as Faintheartedness + Enfeeble on a warrior then using Discord to damage him Or doing a blood / curses build and putting Malaise + Life Siphon on several targets to counter the health loss and the reduce their energy gain.

holden · Aug 15, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

*sigh*

Fine, SS is the best elite around, every necro should have SS right now and use it as much as possible.

Like I said, my view is probably wrong and I'm only saying that because I'm sick of the SS build because I played it too much and it seems to be the flavour of the month.

I prefer running disabling builds such as Faintheartedness + Enfeeble on a warrior then using Discord to damage him Or doing a blood / curses build and putting Malaise + Life Siphon on several targets to counter the health loss and the reduce their energy gain.

i can totally understand that. i can see being bored with it. it was the 'ss is pretty horrible in pve' line that freaked me out.

dustbunny · Aug 15, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

With this post, are you stating that not all necromancers are from Tyria and not all necromancers have spiteful spirit?

Or are you stating that if a team wants a spiteful spirit necromancer on a team and someone wants to join but cannot play that role for the reason that he has not capped it, the person that cannot meet the needs of the team should be allowed a spot on the team on grounds that he hasn't been to / cannot go to Tyria while the team change their requirement to accommodate?

ibex333 · Aug 18, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

There is no excuse not to have SS in Cantha.
It's the easiest thing to get. All you gotta do is:

1)Travel to LA from Kaineng Center - Takes like 2-3min(free and easy)
2)In LA ask for a run to Beacon's Perch(annoying to find a runner but cheap 200gp-2k) ???
3)Get dual runners to Drok's Forge with a stop at Camp Rankor 2-3k?
4)Go to Camp Rankor and keep reexiting to Talus chute untill you get a necro boss spawn. Kill him with henchies, cap SS.
I killed him at level 12.

If you are ignorant(dont know about guild wiki, guildwarsguru, or other such sites) - and do not wish to know....
OR -- you are too lazy....
That is no excuse not to have SS.

That being said, I would NEVER call you a noob for not having it, and I would ALWAYS take you into my party even if you DONT have SS. As long as you act mature, you help, and follow what the party is doing.
Most importantly, I really dont think SS is essential in Cantha. SS is best for farming, power leveling, and killing big mobs that are bunched up together.
In cantha, there are many alternatives that will still allow you to be useful to the party you are playing with WITHOUT SS.

Cebe · Aug 18, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

The only reason I bought Prophecies was for the skills...yes, I bought Factions first... I was very glad when I started a necro not long ago that I had prophecies, since it meant I could get Spiteful Spirit... It took me such a long time to get. I usually refuse to pay anyone to run me places - usually since I have precious little money anyway, so I fought my way around to Sanctum Cay and across to the Crystal Desert and entered Droknar's Forge by completing The Dragon's Lair mission....took FOREVER since the Crystal Desert missions are, sorry to say this, but full of nutters! A quick wander across from Droknar's Forge to cap the skill...I guess it was good, since I made money along the way instead of having to pay out to someone to run me there.

Now I have Spiteful Spirit, I love it, that with Mark of Pain are immense spells. I've pwnd many a Warden with SS, Curses FTW!

Pick Me · Aug 18, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex333

There is no excuse not to have SS in Cantha.
It's the easiest thing to get. All you gotta do is:

1)Travel to LA from Kaineng Center - Takes like 2-3min(free and easy)
2)In LA ask for a run to Beacon's Perch(annoying to find a runner but cheap 200gp-2k) ???
3)Get dual runners to Drok's Forge with a stop at Camp Rankor 2-3k?
4)Go to Camp Rankor and keep reexiting to Talus chute untill you get a necro boss spawn. Kill him with henchies, cap SS.
I killed him at level 12.

If you are ignorant(dont know about guild wiki, guildwarsguru, or other such sites) - and do not wish to know....
OR -- you are too lazy....
That is no excuse not to have SS.

That being said, I would NEVER call you a noob for not having it, and I would ALWAYS take you into my party even if you DONT have SS. As long as you act mature, you help, and follow what the party is doing.
Most importantly, I really dont think SS is essential in Cantha. SS is best for farming, power leveling, and killing big mobs that are bunched up together.
In cantha, there are many alternatives that will still allow you to be useful to the party you are playing with WITHOUT SS.

Okay, please let me say this first. If you are reading this post, the you must know about www.guildwarsguru.com.

Excuse for not having SS:

1) My stores don't have Prophecies, all sold out.

2) Someone on E-bay is selling both Prophecies and Factions for $100.00. I don't need factions again.

3) I'm so poor I can't afford Prophecies right now. I wish you could do easy farming in real life.

4) I just got Prophecies, but I installed it like a new game. Oops. Now I can't use the key to add it to my Factions game.

5) I just got to LA, so I need time to cap SS.
etc.

I agree that you can get away without SS, but some groups think it is so much easier (sometimes it is) with SS than without.

I like your attitude Ibex333 regarding players. Mature players that are team players are better than just skills.