Curse

Evilsod · Jul 23, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Looks like my build for AB

Cripshot
Distracting
Savage
Hunters
Apply
Unguent
Whirling
Res... been messing around with Scorpion Wire recently too, they can't get away even if they try

It counters anything that needs to come close. Great fun against warriors

Lucifer... why are you posting...?

LordLucifer · Jul 24, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

idk, why are you?

Red1086 · Jul 25, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Okay, I didn't read all the posts cause I really didn't feel like it, so if this has been said already, forgive me.

There is an in-game nerf to Touch Rangers. I have experienced it myself. It is called BLACKOUT. It is also called INTERRUPT. Oh, and do not forget, ENERGY DENIAL.

Bam, three counters to Touch Rangers and no need for actual nerfs.

Thank you.

Sir Mad · Jul 25, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Well I don't think you needed to bump ALL the topic about touchies to say that... but thanks for the 2 cents.

Evilsod · Jul 26, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Red1086

Okay, I didn't read all the posts cause I really didn't feel like it, so if this has been said already, forgive me.

There is an in-game nerf to Touch Rangers. I have experienced it myself. It is called BLACKOUT. It is also called INTERRUPT. Oh, and do not forget, ENERGY DENIAL.

Bam, three counters to Touch Rangers and no need for actual nerfs.

Thank you.

Yeah those have never been said ^^

In the 100s of pages an 1000s of replies of people moaning about them and the reels of counters...

Lucifer, because i have something to bring to it, unlike your posts. (ironically this post doesn't

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Robin_Anadri · Jul 26, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

... been messing around with Scorpion Wire recently too, they can't get away even if they try

ZOMG I hadn't thought of that... EVIL!

Must... get... home... to... try...

Ristaron · Jul 26, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by AndrewAtHome

In a recent appearance, my guild leader managed to speak to Gaile about changing the description of Expertise, in a similar way to what you've mentioned, and she said she'd have a word with someone about it. Lets cross our fingers.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVE EXPERTISE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make the stupid touch ranger skills into spells for the love of God, that will solve the problem and not affect ANYTHING ELSE.

Dark Tykane · Jul 26, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVE EXPERTISE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make the stupid touch ranger skills into spells for the love of God, that will solve the problem and not affect ANYTHING ELSE.

No dont touch the touches, turning them into spells would be idiotic as well. The best way is just to STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM and just do versatile builds that will kill a normal player and disable a toucher AT THE SAME TIME

now stop saying to switch them to spells if you knew enough about the balance between these skills and the spells you would know there are many problems with them ever being spells.
LEAVE NECRO SPELLS AND SKILLS ALONE...LEAVE EXPERTISE ALONE....just be more smart.

Hyprodimus Prime · Jul 27, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Water eles can nicely take out touchies, other eles, and wars (and squishies) hey that everyone isnt it?...well if its 1 on 1. If youre against a group of touchies then its harder. I like to use somesort of water slowdown like ice spikes or icy prism, then spam water trident with arcane echo. Water trident will cover any +speed they have because of knock down.....and armor of mist wont hurt either. bring rust for tanks and bonders....ouch.
Eles have lower armor against water. mesmers can try to interupt but water trident is fast recharge. Spirit spammers will hurt i think that they are the only ones who can beat this build 1 on 1.

treat touchies like warriors. they can hurt if they cant touch. and if u expect facing barragers or any rangers bring along blurred vision, armor of frost or some nice mesmer skills.

I guess like most squishies u cant heal very well so degen would be a problem.
Anyways. I say dont nerf the touchies, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

LordLucifer · Jul 29, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Yeah those have never been said ^^

In the 100s of pages an 1000s of replies of people moaning about them and the reels of counters...

Lucifer, because i have something to bring to it, unlike your posts. (ironically this post doesn't

)

yah right, you do bring quite a good fanboy vision to this thread alright..

anyway point has been made, if touchers are so ballanced how come no other builds need so much.."smart thinking" to beat?

besides its a game, whole point is to have fun, touchers eem to annoy more ppl than anything else, doesnt seem like this contributes to what a game is about..

(and no, i havent such huge problems with them unless im on my war, but its clear they need a nerf, i played touchers too, easy way to kill stuff in PvP when i want faction and dont wanna sweat)

Rite · Jul 29, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Can't believe I'm bumping this thread just to say this, but to all the people who are so sure that ANet's about to nerf the touchies, I think that's a really unlikely proposition seeing as when touchies were mentioned in one of the "the scribe"s, the tone was more of someone being extremely proud of them than of someone saying: uh-oh, we need to nerf that one.

Evilsod · Jul 29, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by LordLucifer

yah right, you do bring quite a good fanboy vision to this thread alright..

Eh?

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anyway point has been made, if touchers are so ballanced how come no other builds need so much.."smart thinking" to beat?

Meaning? Could you at least make things clear. I can't tell whether you mean people are too stupid to bring counters or they just require someone with more than 1 IQ to beat.

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besides its a game, whole point is to have fun, touchers eem to annoy more ppl than anything else, doesnt seem like this contributes to what a game is about..

You've never played a mesmer have you? Or indeed a ranger by the sound of things. I'm sure the constant stream of interrupts, shutdowns and debilitating things isn't annoying in the slightest.

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(and no, i havent such huge problems with them unless im on my war, but its clear they need a nerf, i played touchers too, easy way to kill stuff in PvP when i want faction and dont wanna sweat)

Wow great reason... they require that smart thinking that in 1 battle i had my Touch skills diverted 3 times, 2 from not paying attention 1 because i didn't even see the Diversion on me it hit that close to the cast.

SnipiousMax · Jul 29, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by LordLucifer

anyway point has been made, if touchers are so ballanced how come no other builds need so much.."smart thinking" to beat?

Not a big fan of tag teaming... but...
You did say this:

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Originally Posted by LordLucifer

...besides its a game, whole point is to have fun...

I find it enjoyable when I go up against a difficult to beat character. I've no enjoyment at all steam rolling weaklings. I enjoy competition.

That said. I find no enjoyment steamrolling touch rangers. At best, they are a one-trick pony. You KNOW exactly what they are going to do. Once you see the '/n' and the blood staff. You don't have to guess at all at what they are going to try and do. So don't let them. If that means stepping out of the restrictive stereotype of standing around like a hunk of lead soaking up all the damage your monk can heal, and making that TR chase after you... So be it. No one has brought up smiters. I think a Dual smite team is devestating in AB's. You don't just stand there and take it from them do you? So why would you do that for a touch team? There is no more 'smart thinking' required to roll a toucher, than there is to crack a boon prot monk. Truth be told, there is 'smarth thinking' involved in defeating just about any build.

LordLucifer · Jul 29, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Meaning? Could you at least make things clear. I can't tell whether you mean people are too stupid to bring counters or they just require someone with more than 1 IQ to beat.

already said it, touchers jsut wont die against warriors, sins, rangers (can annoy but cant kill, maybe with 20 hours of cripshot spamming..) they have huge ele defense (few builds get them here too) so the only char with good chances is a mesmer, and you think its fine? (mesmers have good chances against anything in GW...)

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You've never played a mesmer have you? Or indeed a ranger by the sound of things. I'm sure the constant stream of interrupts, shutdowns and debilitating things isn't annoying in the slightest.

i have over 1200 hours of gameplay..have seen it all now

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Wow great reason... they require that smart thinking that in 1 battle i had my Touch skills diverted 3 times, 2 from not paying attention 1 because i didn't even see the Diversion on me it hit that close to the cast.

again, mesmers...besides it was just lack of attention like you said

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

I find it enjoyable when I go up against a difficult to beat character. I've no enjoyment at all steam rolling weaklings. I enjoy competition.

i hate easy games, theres nothing better than a warrior fight with 2 great builds (no matter the weapons) that may last long, or maybe some nasty mesmer battles (those can be really great)
but like you said, some random guy, with no skills at all, you do know exactly what hes gonna do, he doesnt even have to look at the screen, its aproach, touch, use stances sometimes and thats it.. and over 50% of the builds that were in the battle cant do a thing abt it is fun? idk abt that..

Evilsod · Jul 30, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by LordLucifer

already said it, touchers jsut wont die against warriors, sins, rangers (can annoy but cant kill, maybe with 20 hours of cripshot spamming..) they have huge ele defense (few builds get them here too) so the only char with good chances is a mesmer, and you think its fine? (mesmers have good chances against anything in GW...)

So what? An ele is a joke against any ranger, toucher or otherwise. The only difference is a flash bot can actually make a difference against other rangers. 20 hours of cripshot? You do realise that practically all Cripshotters run Apply Poison w/ an optional Hunters Shot for a rather nice 7degen + Cripple (i love this in AB so much

). Plus any ranger with Seeking Arrows who is in the least bit competant can predict when to use Distracting Shot. Beleve me you lose alot of healing and power with only 1 touch skill. Nobody really cares if a warrior can't kill it, there are things in this game a warrior isn't suppose to be able to kill (easily). People are stupid.. face it. Yesterday i fled a Paragon as a toucher with 30 health left, ran round a corner and watched radar... he followed. Dodged 1 spear, ran up and survived the next to blind him. Stood there and slowly touched all his health away... he landed ZERO hits and make NO attempts to run. People that stupid deserve to die.

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i have over 1200 hours of gameplay..have seen it all now

Grats.. i have probably near 3000.

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again, mesmers...besides it was just lack of attention like you said

Yes i've been utterly owned by degen mesmers too. 1.5 second cooldown (equivilence of the 2 skills), 10 degen. If target kites... your dead. I had to turn to touching a pet or a nearby spirit just to stay alive a bit longer.

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i hate easy games, theres nothing better than a warrior fight with 2 great builds (no matter the weapons) that may last long, or maybe some nasty mesmer battles (those can be really great)
but like you said, some random guy, with no skills at all, you do know exactly what hes gonna do, he doesnt even have to look at the screen, its aproach, toach, use stances sometimes and thats it.. and over 50% of the builds that were in the battle cant do a thing abt it is fun? idk abt that

Sorry but warrior fighting just sucks. Sword > Axe as sword has degen. Axe > Sword as sword has Disrupting Chop (for signet). Hammer > Axe > Sword. Hammer has knockdowns and weakness, axe has a conditional weakness, sword has neither. You can't outsmart your opponent, its entirely down to who has the most useless skills for killing a squishy. Obviously i disagree, so whats to stop people liking Touch Rangers? You don't find it fun, doesn't mean no-one does.

LordLucifer · Jul 30, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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That said. I find no enjoyment steamrolling touch rangers. At best, they are a one-trick pony. You KNOW exactly what they are going to do.

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but like you said, some random guy, with no skills at all, you do know exactly what hes gonna do, he doesnt even have to look at the screen, its aproach, touch, use stances sometimes and thats it.. and over 50% of the builds that were in the battle cant do a thing abt it is fun? idk abt that..

if you find any other builds that can beat most ppl and you dont even have to look at the screen to win ill be quiet

d3kst3r · Jul 30, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

How to kill a touch ranger:

Cripple and make sure no allys are near it. Degen.

Evilsod · Jul 30, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by LordLucifer

if you find any other builds that can beat most ppl and you dont even have to look at the screen to win ill be quiet

What does that have to do with anything? Just because against some morons you can guarantee a kill by pressing 1 and 2 over and over doesn't mean you can kill most people. People kite, you do sod all damage. People snare/degen, you die. People attack you at melee range and refuse to move, they lose then whine in all chat.

I've fought against plenty of people in TA as a Bunny Thumper who refused to kite even while clobbering the crap out of them. These people too could be killed while watching TV. Should we nerf the it too?

You have no case for anything beyond the usual whining that wammos do after getting pwned because HH doesn't work.

LordLucifer · Jul 30, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

What does that have to do with anything? Just because against some morons you can guarantee a kill by pressing 1 and 2 over and over doesn't mean you can kill most people.

It means a build is overpowered if you can win against most just just by doing that

while others just cant do krap, or just run away cause they have no chance at all while few specific builds can do the trick

Evilsod · Jul 30, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Most?
You can't beat a Seeking Arrows ranger. 2 Distracting Shots on very obvious skills and you have no healing.
Can't beat a Cripshotter.
Can't beat a Hammer warrior once your Whirling Defences wears off. Even while its up the Irresistable knockdown is fustrating.
Can't beat an assassin, same reason as above.
Can't beat heavy degen.
Can't beat snares w/ degen (basically cripshotter or crip mes)
Can't beat shutdown.
Can't beat anything if they have Scourge Sacrifice.

Can beat idiots who stand in front of it and don't flee. And most in this situation would lose against a plan warrior build anyway.

I don't care if it can beat idiots who stand in front of it. When it can beat people who run all over the place with ease, then we have a problem. Touch Rangers are literally nothing in comparison with the D/Mo's that are around now. Until they fix them, Anet won't come close to 'fixing' Touchers.