Curse

kess · Dec 13, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Who said only Air ele can spike?

1) MoR
2) Meteor
3) Searing Flames {e}
4) Liquid Flame
5) Glowing Gaze

6) Aura of Restoration
7) Fire Attunement
8) res sig

Just go through the order 1-5 if somehow your target still standing, cast another SF to finish him off.

Counter:
Hex removal, interrupt, knockdown, backfire

Just a thought, maybe a me/e with fast cast and glyph of elemental power can do a better spike.

Kwisatz_Haderach · Dec 13, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

ok... AIR spiker?

LightningHell · Dec 13, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Not a spike.

NinjaKai · Dec 13, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Searing flames, great choice you can deal a couple points of damage to those high armored mods.

Purpose of a spike is to deal large amounts of near constant damage in a short space of time, almost enough damage to near kill an enemy. This build probably won't even drag an enemies health past 75%.

kess · Dec 13, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Searing flames, great choice you can deal a couple points of damage to those high armored mods.

Purpose of a spike is to deal large amounts of near constant damage in a short space of time, almost enough damage to near kill an enemy. This build probably won't even drag an enemies health past 75%.

well, did you even try it out? not even past 75%??

ok, consider a warrior with 80AL, meteor deals 84dmg on first strike, then SF deals another 84dmg, liquid flame deals another 84, GG is 37 that's 289 dmg and the opponent is suffering burning (-7 armor ignoring degen) from the start. Don't tell me that your warrior/dervish has 1200hp from the start.

the cast time for meteor is 3 sec, the others is 1 sec cast time, but the spike only start when meteor hit. with 20% HCT weapon you will at least get 1 spell to be fast cast.

I agree that it will have some difficulties to kill war/der/ranger/paragon but for the other class that has only 60al, that's 400+dmg in around 5-6 sec time (taking the aftercast cooldown time into account).

The good thing about this build is that, after I go through the sequence, I still have plenty of energy left. I can always cast GG to gain more energy if the opponent still standing.

If the other team has a good monk, consider this as putting pressure on 2 ppl, while your teammate can concentrate all their fire power on the other 2.

LightningHell · Dec 13, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Are you assuming that their monk has a 10-second reflex time?

.defekt · Dec 13, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Holy crap. Nice build. Did you think of this one yourself?

kess · Dec 13, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Are you assuming that their monk has a 10-second reflex time?

I did say if the team has a good monk, you will not be able to kill your target, but it will provide a good pressure for the monk to constantly heal the target while your team pound on the others.

Monk with zealous benediction will be able to match the dmg with reversal of fortune and PS. ZB is a leet skill.

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Originally Posted by .defekt

Holy crap. Nice build. Did you think of this one yourself?

thanks, I was just experimenting different ele builds in RA and came across this build myself. At first I was owned by Assassin spike and I just want to kill the sin before being killed, found out the meteor will break the sin chain with the KD. Then I incorporate other skill to finish him off..

Ensign · Dec 13, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

But how does it compare with a Reaper's Mark spiker? I mean that character can spike multiple guys at once!

bam23 · Dec 13, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

This is too slow to be a spike.

ss1986v2 · Dec 13, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Are you assuming that their monk has a 10-second reflex time?

made me lol...

yeah, thats not a spike. a spike would be dropping that same dmg in 1-3 seconds, not the 5-7 that this build has. an average monk could heal this in his sleep.

and yes we have tried this out, its called a pve searing flames elementalist. at best, you can run it in RA or AB, outside that, nothing much.

kess · Dec 13, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

made me lol...

yeah, thats not a spike. a spike would be dropping that same dmg in 1-3 seconds, not the 5-7 that this build has. an average monk could heal this in his sleep.

and yes we have tried this out, its called a pve searing flames elementalist. at best, you can run it in RA or AB, outside that, nothing much.

in 3 sec, you still deal 300+ dmg to the target of 60AL, maybe you can name me some builds that can deal 100dmg/sec for me. I would appreciate that

I know there's alot of SF builds out there, I just give you another option, you can choose not to use it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

But how does it compare with a Reaper's Mark spiker? I mean that character can spike multiple guys at once!

reaper's mark spiker? you can deal more dmg using this build, and yes, you can spike multiple targets if they bunch up together, but in pvp, you lucky you can get 2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bam23

This is too slow to be a spike.

too slow? ok, switch to me/e and replace aor with glyph of elemental power(5 spells).

Amok Affinity · Dec 13, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13

i laughed

i cried

anyone want a taco? because i don't.

LightningHell · Dec 13, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

That's still 3.63 seconds.

Just a suggestion, why not just use Searing Flames and go pressure instead?

By the way, don't triplepost.

ss1986v2 · Dec 13, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by kess

in 3 sec, you still deal 300+ dmg to the target of 60AL, maybe you can name me some builds that can deal 100dmg/sec for me. I would appreciate that

sure thing:

*Frenzy Sin (using standard BLS, HoX, FS, TF combo)
*Any Spirit Strength melee spiker (daggers works best, but axe, swords, bows, whatever) *this one is the most fun; 100 dmg hits on 100 armor targets, gonna be nerfed somehow*
*Evis or Decap Spike (teamed with IAS, exe, and crit chop)
*Fast Casting Air Spiker (hammer, orb, strike, ect...)
*Attuned Air Spiker (pretty much same as above)

...just to name a few (its late and im tired). and some others that are borderline but have similar spike/pressure capacity as a searing flames ele:

*Recurring Soul Barbs (recurring insecurity, soul barbs, ect...)
*Virulence Spiker (frag, virulence, whatever you like to apply the deep wound, has taken a hit over time, but still fun to use)
*Smite Hammer (IAS, backbreaker, holy/soulstone, crushing, ect...)
*Attuned Channeler (spirit rift, channeling strike, gaze, surge, destruction, ect...)
*Spirit Spam Rit (pain, bloodsong, shadowsong, painful bond, ect...)
*Traditional Blood Spiker (not as much, but totally armor ignoring dmg + life steal)
*RaO Thumper/Reaper (hard hitters/good pressure/capable of a spike)

just about all ele builds are effective vs 60 armor targets. earth (sandstorm, aftershock, shockwave, dragon stomp, ect), fire (SF), water (shatterstorm, vapor blade, ect), or air can all deal good dmg to 60 armor target. not a lot to brag about.

these are all of course RA/AB builds, since you referred in an earlier post you had 3 teammates. these all work well to some extent, in the context of RA/AB.

and this isnt a knock on the build you posted. it works, but its not a spike, its pressure. unless you are running multiple SF ele's, its not a spike.

LightningHell · Dec 13, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

And even if you're running multiple SF eles, you can still do massive pressure.

XvArchonvX · Dec 13, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Congradulations, you posted an inneficient version of a common build people have been running since the release of NF!!

FrogDevourer · Dec 13, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kess

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

But how does it compare with a Reaper's Mark spiker? I mean that character can spike multiple guys at once!

reaper's mark spiker? you can deal more dmg using this build, and yes, you can spike multiple targets if they bunch up together, but in pvp, you lucky you can get 2.

Bwahaha! You caught me off-guard with this one.

Tip: You failed the sarcasm test. It was an elegant albeit ironic way to tell your build is hardly spiking.

Grammar · Dec 14, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

This thread needs to be stickied.

Symbol · Dec 14, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

And here I thought this was going to be about mind burn...