Curse

art_ · Jun 19, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Queto

Running 10 inspiration while using Energy Drain? That's a real waste of attribute points! E-Drain's break point is at 9, so you can also run 9+1 Protection.

agreed.

cloude1080 · Jun 20, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

I've been reading this whole thread and yet noone mentioned the Peppermint/Gingerbread Shield (+10 AL without req). While I havent been able to test them out yet, can anyone provide me an insight (if they do work at all) ? Or should I just go off with gold shield ?

Also, there is a collector wand outside Nolani provide -10% dmg all time (again havent been able to test this). But it is better compare to +10 AL ? (Note that +dmg skills ignore armor anyway).

I find that in RA/TA,I am most likely the only monk. A good pressure team (or even bad team mates that take too long to kill enemy monk) will make me run dry even with the best e-management I could perform. Sig of Dev simply shines there, at least you can do something while waiting for 5e to come.

MoR/CoP combo is also good against Assasin's conditions (Daze specially) so taking it over E-Drain is something I would do in RA/TA.

Zui · Jun 20, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Yes cloude, those will work, and will provide you with 10 al. However I far prefer using a gold -2(enchanted) +30 or -2(enchanted) +45(enchanted) shield, as the armor is only two less, you have the obvious health bonus, and the -2 damage while enchanted bonus. Honestly, if you don't have or want to fork over the cash for a nice gold shield, they're a viable alternitive.

Maxiemonster · Jun 20, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by cloude1080

I've been reading this whole thread and yet noone mentioned the Peppermint/Gingerbread Shield (+10 AL without req). While I havent been able to test them out yet, can anyone provide me an insight (if they do work at all) ? Or should I just go off with gold shield ?

A Peppermint/Gingerbread Shield isn't all that great compared to a gold +45/-2 (while enchanted) gold shield, so I wouldn't advice them. I'm not to sure about a +45/-2 (while enchanted) gold shield either, as this does lower your Energy by 12 (which makes your Energy pool 30 if you use Acolyte's set and the Pre-Searing sword), and only gives you 3 Armor and -2 damage (while enchanted), which isn't that incredible. I'm going to test this out as soon as I get a +45/-2 gold shield, as I haven't had the chance to play much because of school.

A

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Originally Posted by cloude1080

lso, there is a collector wand outside Nolani provide -10% dmg all time (again havent been able to test this). But it is better compare to +10 AL ? (Note that +dmg skills ignore armor anyway).

Actually, that -10% damage means that your wand deals 10% less damage

If the wand worked like you think it would, everyone would use this wand.

ender6 · Jun 20, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by pah01

Thing is these are the most poweful things you can do to a good and well played monk.

Unfortunatly kiting and your team mates are going to have to be the solutions to this problem.

If you have been knocked down and blackouted your team is responsible for you. Your blindbot should blind the warrrior because this buys you time.

I have to be harsh and say if you die because of this situation its your team mates fault. You are shutdown so they have to keep you alive. - However if you can kite well and manage to heal just eneogh to stay alive - which is possible if you keep the hammer warrior on your ass blinded - hexed then your team should manage to kill the other monk.

Also I am sorry for taking ages to reply as was away :P

Now to read Maxies edited guide :P

EDIT: And he took away the pictures. PUT THEM BACK...

Sam

No worries about the delayed response, I too apologise for my lagged responses -- work sometimes keeps me busy.

I'm glad to hear someone else say: It's not your fault, but rather your teammates' fault.

That's sorta how I saw the scenario. Regardless, the whole affair is quite frustrating. Another Problematic build that I have come across (I am almost scared to post it) is the thunderclap build. Only defense you have to stop the first thunderclap from sticking is preveil or bring hexbreaker. I played one match where I didn't preveil and I was hit with thunderclap, I never had a chance to cast one spell. Spent the entire-shortlived-match on my ass.

Lesson I learned, which you have mentioned before, preveiling is crucial. I also recently have revisited putting signet of devotion on my skillbar, and I have to be honest it has been working like a charm.

My current build:

RoF
Cop
Gaurdian
Divine Boon
Signet of Devotion
Mantra of Recall
Holy Veil
Mend Condtion

I don't miss prot spirit, but I do miss IH (which I dropped to put Holy Veil back on my bar). I'm even thinking of squeezing Hex Breaker onto my build, but that would mean dropping Sig of Devotion, thoughts?

Maxiemonster · Jun 20, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by ender6

My current build:

RoF
Cop
Gaurdian
Divine Boon
Signet of Devotion
Mantra of Recall
Holy Veil
Mend Condtion

I don't miss prot spirit, but I do miss IH (which I dropped to put Holy Veil back on my bar). I'm even thinking of squeezing Hex Breaker onto my build, but that would mean dropping Sig of Devotion, thoughts?

It depends where you use this build. I always run these skills in RA/TA, though, in PvE and GvG I don't.

ender6 · Jun 20, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Maxie, that was a continuation of a discussion regarding 4v4 play....

Maxiemonster · Jun 20, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by ender6

Maxie, that was a continuation of a discussion regarding 4v4 play....

Sorry, didn't feel like reading it all over again

But then you're running a great build in my opinion.

I also tried that +45/-2 Gold shield, but running 30 Energy is impossible

Just stick with a +45/+5 Focus.

ender6 · Jun 20, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Sorry, didn't feel like reading it all over again

But then you're running a great build in my opinion.

I also tried that +45/-2 Gold shield, but running 30 Energy is impossible

Just stick with a +45/+5 Focus.

I have no intention of using a shield. I believe the person who posted the usage of the shield intended its use specificlly for when you're kiting. Regardless, I find when you are on the run and start toggling to different weapon sets in can sometimes slow you down and can complicate things. I've described the 3 weapon sets i keep on my monk in a previous post and for me that is enough to manage.

Sab · Jun 21, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but Energy Drain works great in PvE as:

- It's energy-on-demand
- Enemy mobs almost always have 8+ energy
- You can make full use of faster recharge equipment
- You probably won't be using CoP, so MoR's synergy with CoP is irrelevant

In PvP, EDrain is a different story, but in PvE, I tend to use it in favour of MoR for those reasons.

Just thought I'd get that out there.

Maxiemonster · Jun 21, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

In PvE, Offering of Blood is better then both Energy Drain and Mantra of Recall, but I don't feel like adding it, since PvE is so much different then PvP.

Senator Tom · Jun 23, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22

under kiting you hardly have anything, but that is what separates the good players from the bad. you need to be able to manipulate the other team. for example, when you're getting hit with ed skills, move backwards and lure the mes into your teams front/middle lines. whenever warriors see mesmers walking towards them, they know to attack that mesmer.

SnipiousMax · Jun 23, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by ender6

My current build:

RoF
Cop
Gaurdian
Divine Boon
Signet of Devotion
Mantra of Recall
Holy Veil
Mend Condtion

I don't miss prot spirit, but I do miss IH (which I dropped to put Holy Veil back on my bar). I'm even thinking of squeezing Hex Breaker onto my build, but that would mean dropping Sig of Devotion, thoughts?

That's the build I've been running in TA lately. I want to work on a gladiator title, and I don't want to do it in RA so I've been practicing with my Boon Prot in TA. I agree that I've not missed Prot Spirit since I've taken it out while I miss IH, I think i'm better off with Holy Veil. I really REALLY want to work hex breaker in, but I'm afraid to take out Sig of Devotion. Have you had any luck without it?

Ari Shiningstar · Jun 24, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

I've been going all devine/protection. I use peace and harmony to help with energy..seems to work for the most part.

Ari

ender6 · Jun 25, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

That's the build I've been running in TA lately. I want to work on a gladiator title, and I don't want to do it in RA so I've been practicing with my Boon Prot in TA. I agree that I've not missed Prot Spirit since I've taken it out while I miss IH, I think i'm better off with Holy Veil. I really REALLY want to work hex breaker in, but I'm afraid to take out Sig of Devotion. Have you had any luck without it?

I have stuck with this build, and i have been able to handle alomst any scenario -- minus the constant lag i have been experiencing lately. I Always preveil during the count down. So I walk out into the arena with veil/boon/and MoR up...If i am not targeted by a mesmer (which is rare) I will drop veil. If I am targeted, it is strip the hex and reapply holy veil. This works well. If I face a heavy hex team, keep up something like Gaurdian with MoR and Boon, then CoP -- you should be clean. Moral of the story, hex breaker isn't needed, and not worth dropping Signet of Devotion for -- IMHO. Also please realize that being good or even an excelent boon prot monk is only half the story, you need a good team to really get some good streaks going. I have faced many matches where skill denial has taken me nearly completly out of the match, but my team has won the match for me. A good team is a balanced team that can react to various scenarios and builds. A good boon prot monk is very much the same, able to respond to various strains, and attacks.

fb2000 · Jun 25, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I'm not to sure about a +45/-2 (while enchanted) gold shield either, as this does lower your Energy by 12 (which makes your Energy pool 30 if you use Acolyte's set and the Pre-Searing sword), and only gives you 3 Armor and -2 damage (while enchanted), which isn't that incredible. I'm going to test this out as soon as I get a +45/-2 gold shield, as I haven't had the chance to play much because of school.

apparently, having a gold shield and NOT meeting the req gives u 8 al, and having a green/blue/purple one gives you 3 al..
at least this is the replies i got on the Gladiator section.
anyway with this, and the 10 al sword, Master of lightning does 98 instead of 137dmg lightning orb, id calculate it if i wasnt lazy enough

Zui · Jun 25, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by fb2000

98 instead of 137dmg lightning orb, id calculate it if i wasnt lazy

(off the top of my head) That's *about* a 30% damage reduction.

God Apprentice · Jun 25, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Very nice guide Maxie

0o7 · Jun 25, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Health: 575
Damage: 400
Armor: 80
You take 282.84 damage.

Health: 665
Damage: 400
Armor: 60
You take 400 damage.

How do you calculate how much damage you get?

like this one:

Health: 575
Damage: 400
Armor: 80
You take 282.84 damage.

Maxiemonster · Jun 26, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by fb2000

apparently, having a gold shield and NOT meeting the req gives u 8 al, and having a green/blue/purple one gives you 3 al..
at least this is the replies i got on the Gladiator section.
anyway with this, and the 10 al sword, Master of lightning does 98 instead of 137dmg lightning orb, id calculate it if i wasnt lazy enough

137 damage against someone with 88 Armor would be 84 damage taken, and probably 82 because of the -2 damage recieved on your shield. I still don't recommend a shield though.

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Originally Posted by 0o7

How do you calculate how much damage you get?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/calculators/guru_armor.php

Ensign's calculator ftw!