Curse

Thom Bangalter · Nov 28, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

^thanks

Before I had nightfall, I ran this:

Meteor shower
ether prodigy
fireball
rodgort's
glyph of sacrifice
rez chant
heal party
free slot (I often ran immolate here if I recall correctly, you could run draw conditions, or healing breeze, or whatever crap skill you want to slap here)

The build kinda sucked to be honest, but at least I had prodigy+heal party. It's probably the best non-searing flames ele I've played though.

Xeones The Great · Nov 28, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

ok thx again, but i dont want a healing build

i need a heavy nuker that can heal himself when the monks dont, not an ether prodigy-heal party healy ele thing

thats why i had in HH and healing breeze, so i could heal myself

so, is there anyway to get these skills in but also heal?

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
fire storm/searing heat
elemental attunement
fire attunement
rebirth

also, what is better? fire storm or searing heat?

and, do attunements stack?

attributes: 16 fire, 13 energy storage, 3 protection

Dr Strangelove · Nov 28, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

ok thx again, but i dont want a healing build

i need a heavy nuker that can heal himself when the monks dont, not an ether prodigy-heal party healy ele thing

thats why i had in HH and healing breeze, so i could heal myself

so, is there anyway to get these skills in but also heal?

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
fire storm/searing heat
elemental attunement
fire attunement
rebirth

also, what is better? fire storm or searing heat?

and, do attunements stack?

attributes: 16 fire, 13 energy storage, 3 protection

The point of the ether prodigy guy is not just to heal, but to provide some support while you do other things.

For any class, it's a huge mistake to think that monks might not be able to heal you therefore you should bring a giant pile of self heals. There are going to be monks, and if they're dead, everyone else is probably dead too, you're not going to fend off the mob by yourself. Monk heals are about a jillion times more efficient on monk primaries than anything you've got, let them do their job and you do yours. In addition, breeze and healing hands are about the two worst monk spells there are. You're an ele, not a moron wammo.

That being said, aura of restoration is a reliable self heal to help keep you topped off. However, the major reason to bring it is to cover up those attunements-which do stack- so being stripped doesn't shut you down for 45 seconds. Aura has a 5 second recharge, so you can pretty much cast it whenever you need.

Searing Heat is vastly better than firestorm because firestorm has a tiny AoE.

Rebirth is generally not a good idea when you're going to burn 70-80 energy from the "lose all energy" thing.

As much as I like immolate, it's probably not needed in this build, which looks to be going for AoE damage. Most eles- including myself- like to put immolate in builds because of it's low recharge. It gives you something to do when everything else is recharging, like flare. Really, you're better off sticking to your big spells that could pay off well if you hit a big group.

Thom Bangalter · Nov 28, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

I'm not healing, I'm spamming party when people take damage and I have nothing else to do while things recharge. Fireball is on a 7 second recharge, rodgort's is 15 seconds, and glyph+meteor shower is a minute 30. Plus, pug monks are generally crappy and So proper midline support is needed.

XvArchonvX · Nov 28, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

If you are a lvl 20 ele and you want to do damage, then get Searing Flames or Sandstorm. Otherwise, just use another profession.

And yes, attunements stack. Air eles often run Elemental Attunement with Air Attunement to be able to spam air spells, but the damage is arguably weaker than what a warrior or dervish could deal, but with less defense.

On paper, eles do huge amounts of damage, but in practice, high level and highly armored enemies drastically reduce the damage that is actually delt by elemental spells.

Xeones The Great · Nov 28, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

ok last thing

should i put in searing heat or aura of restoration?

also, should i carry resurrect and not rebirth?

ALSO, I AM ONLY PROPHECIES!!!!!!

Francis Crawford · Nov 29, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Carrying Rebirth is crazy for an elementalist.

Xeones The Great · Nov 29, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Searing Heat Or Aura Of Restoration?

LightningHell · Nov 29, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

Searing Heat Or Aura Of Restoration?

Neither.

kess · Nov 29, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

for pve nukers

Fire attunement
aura of restoration
Mark Of rodgort
Searing Flames {e}
Glowing gaze
liquid flame
rez
utility slot.

good for boss killer too, just hex the boss with MoR then spam SF and GG until he dies, no worries about nrg running out, and the boss (or any enemy foes) always takes dmg on every SF and burning all the time.

AoR is enough for self heal.

double the dmg if you have another ele hero running the same build.

Xeones The Great · Nov 29, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

once again, prophecies only!
ok heres the build im gonna run, last choice, ups and downs plz

fire-16
energy storage-13

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
meteor shower
elemental attunement{E}
fire attunement
resurrect

rago's flame staff

sup fire, minor energy storage, sup vigor, vitaex2

health-475
energy-84>>>>

o yeah, lightning hell, what should i put in for searing heat if u think it sucks so bad?

LightningHell · Nov 29, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

o yeah, lightning hell, what should i put in for searing heat if u think it sucks so bad?

Don't try to be badass, please. I'm unfamiliar with anything of the sort, and I'm not in the least intimidated by it.

I'd suggest running something from your secondary. If you want to stick pure ele (which I really, really wouldn't advise)...Glyph of Elemental Power?

Thom Bangalter · Nov 30, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Shower. Shower was always awesome. I'd also drop incidiary bonds for glyph of sacrifice, so you can pull an ensign.

Xeones The Great · Nov 30, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

shower - AoE

AoE - fleeing foes

fleeing foes - not good

secondary is monk

what do i put in?

also, whats wrong with a pure ele?

a PvE pyromancer wont get much done without being all ele

if u have a suggestion, lightning, go ahead.

Thom Bangalter · Nov 30, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

The knockdown prevents foes from fleeing, as does the delay in damage.

by awesome, I mean "marginally better than anything in the phrophecies only skills"

Xeones The Great · Nov 30, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

kk ill try

also, whats an ensign?

o wow, shower+rodgorts while attunements are on = extreme dmg

LightningHell · Nov 30, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Shower. Shower was always awesome. I'd also drop incidiary bonds for glyph of sacrifice, so you can pull an ensign.

He already has Meteor Shower. However, it is a serious omission of mine to forget Glyph of Sacrifice.

Ensign is a person. What Thom is referring to is his usage of Glyph of Sacrifice and a resurrection skill to insta-res a person, or his usage of Meteor Shower and Glyph of Sacrifice as so to insta-cast Meteor Shower, which originally has a 5s cast.

I would suggest using Ether Prodigy and power out Heal Parties at the times where your Fire spells are recharging.

Also, try not to double-triple post.

EDIT: Just remembered the full ele comment.

A Pyromancer wouldn't get much done anyways. I suggest putting in a spammable secondary spell so you can actually do something in downtime, and as I said (many will agree), Prodigy with Heal Party is awesome.

Thom Bangalter · Nov 30, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Well lightning, that gets us back to my phrophecies only build.

Meteor shower
ether prodigy
fireball
rodgort's
glyph of sacrifice
rez chant
heal party
free slot (I often ran immolate here if I recall correctly, you could run draw conditions, or healing breeze, or whatever crap skill you want to slap here)

replace rez chant for restore life.

Cebe · Nov 30, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

no point of being an ele/monk without monk spells, eh?

so NO HEALING - WASTE OF PROFESSION!!!

Not to rock the boat of anything. *braces for flaming* Just because you're E/Mo doesn't mean you have to run any secondary skills. I agree that sometimes secondary skills come in useful and in some missions, which put monks under pressure, Heal Party is probably a good skill to run with. I am E/N and only use one necro skill in any of my builds (although I am working on another)...I use Deep Freeze and Feast of Corruption. I tend to customise my build for the mission and don't have one build I always run with.

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

anyone know a good fire staff to go with this build because exuros doesnt have enchants +20%, and many ppl say thats necessary for an attunement build

You don't need a 20% Enchantments staff. With enough in Energy Storage the attunements more than cover themselves...that is, they will always be recharged by the time you need to re-apply them. If they get stripped the 20% enchant is not going to be of any use anyway. I prefer +1 Attribute or +30 Health on my staves.

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

*edit* do the attunements stack? *edit*

Yes, Dual attunements = 80% of the energy back is very good. Since the recent buff off Glyph of Lesser Energy I have found that I can take a more fun elite rather than taking Elemental Attunement. Glyph of Lesser Energy now works on 2 Spells making it much more useful.

One other point. I can't remember exactly but I think you asked how to keep enemies from running out of AoE skills like Meteor Shower. Team up with a Hydromancer running Deep Freeze

Amok Affinity · Nov 30, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

there aren't that many impressive non-nf fire skills, unfortunately :P

fireball, mark, ibonds come to mind... maybe immolate.

rest of your bar's gonna be utility, defense, (a res!), energy management anyhow :!

playin' mostly e/me i came to enjoy having leech sig, power drain, inspired hex, stuff like that on my bar. though it's probably not the most useful *cough* hp/prodigy, gos/res chant *cough* around.

i used to bring distortion with me on fow pugs to take a little pressure off the monks when aggro innevitably broke from the melee guys (i hate skeletal berserkers (sp) -_-)... seems it got a little nerfed since, though.