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Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

ok i have 3 questions concerning pyro PvE eles:

build-
fire 12,3,1 ES 9,1 healing 9 prot 3 (rebirth)

immolate
fireball
searing heat/rodgorts
phoenix
fire storm
healing breeze
healing hands
rebirth

1 - when u actually nuke the enemies, do u stand close to them? i ask this because many skills are greatly enhanced when ur close to them, such as phoenix or lava font

2 - isnt searing heat better to put in than lava font?

3 - what runes should i stick on my pyromancer? so far im gonna put:

sup fire magic
minor energy storage
minor/major/sup vigor

should i put in attunement and/or vitae??? i have NO idea help please!!!

Thom Bangalter · Nov 26, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

nuking generally refers to attacking from range. The concept is to think of a 'nuker' as a guy sending ICBMs at someone from a safe distance. Lava font and pheonix are garbage skills though.

Searing heat is better than lava font arguably, they're both pretty bad though. I'd suggest rodgort's and fireball.

Your runes are fine, don't use runes of attunements, use vitate. the +10 health is far more beneficial than 2 measily energy.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

mark of rodgort or rodgorts invocation lol?

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

what do i put in for phoenix?

Thom Bangalter · Nov 26, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I'm pretty sure I've made clear in other posts I hate mark of rodgort's. I mean rodgort's invocation.

I'm assuming, of course, that you don't have nightfall. If you do, searing flames wins. It decimates pvp. Theoretically you could try something else 'fun', but pve has never been all that fun for me.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

...

maybe...

idk...

indecianary bonds? IDK!!!!

Arkantos · Nov 26, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Your build has 2 elites.

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

o yea and wht about the problem that enemies flee from AoE spells?

any solutions to that?

Xeones The Great · Nov 26, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

what the **** are you talking about arkantos?

u definitely made a mistake....

Dr Strangelove · Nov 26, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

ok i have 3 questions concerning pyro PvE eles:

build-
fire 12,3,1 ES 9,1 healing 9 prot 3 (rebirth)

immolate
fireball
searing heat/rodgorts
phoenix
fire storm
healing breeze
healing hands
rebirth

1 - when u actually nuke the enemies, do u stand close to them? i ask this because many skills are greatly enhanced when ur close to them, such as phoenix or lava font

2 - isnt searing heat better to put in than lava font?

3 - what runes should i stick on my pyromancer? so far im gonna put:

sup fire magic
minor energy storage
minor/major/sup vigor

should i put in attunement and/or vitae??? i have NO idea help please!!!

1. Nuking generally refers to standing back and not dying. Elementalist point blank spells have a really nasty cooldown, and it's rough to incorporate much in the way of defense into their builds. point blank spells are for more of a suicide bomber style of play.

2. Searing heat is better than lava font, but so is just about every other spell in the game. If you have nightfall, searing flames really is the best AoE out there for fire. if you don't searing heat isn't so bad.

3. The runes you have are fine, I'd toss vitae or the condition reduction ones in over the attunement things. Who needs +2 energy when you have over 70 anyway?

As far as scatter goes, it's not too big of an issue if you use the larger AoE spells, i.e. not firestorm. Scattering does have positive effects, after all, enemies can't cast and move at the same time.

Finally, your build has no emanagement, so you'll be able to cast about 3 spells before having to stand around for a minute or two. Bring ether prodigy, attunements, glyphs, or something to help keep your energy happy.

jacen110091 · Nov 27, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Lava font and pheonix are garbage skills though.

Searing heat is better than lava font arguably, they're both pretty bad though. I'd suggest rodgort's and fireball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Searing heat is better than lava font, but so is just about every other spell in the game.

Why do you guys hate Lava Font so much?
At 16 Fire, you're doing 53 Fire Dmg per second to any enemy that decides not to let you be the guy "standing back and not dying".
Even with the AI updates, you do a good 100+ dmg (a'least) and if you manage to put Mark of Rodgort on the foe(s) they'll be burning away!

Oh and as for Mark of Rodgort,
In PVE gameplay, thats an awesome skill to have since the NF Update!

So many times I've found myself run out of energy!
Just throw MoR on your foe and hit it with the Fire Staff/Wand! I mean c'mon . . burning things is what being a Pyro is all about!

So final words . .
Mess around man, you'll come up with a Pyro build that is good for you eventually, so no worries!

Edit: Unless you have NF, in which case Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze is the way to go!

LightningHell · Nov 27, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze + Glyph of Lesser Energy + Fire Attunement + Paragon Teammate = Win

Thom Bangalter · Nov 27, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

What he said. Also, lava font sucks because the aoe is piddly and the aftercast sucks.

Francis Crawford · Nov 27, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

A fire build without Fire Attunement is silly.

And if there isn't an energy elite, not having Glyph of Lesser Energy is silly too, now that they've buffed it.

Mixing Fire and Healing has some merits -- I used to do it in my old double-Glyph build, except that it was mainly used to throw in a few Heal Parties to help the monks out. But generally it's suboptimal.

Xeones The Great · Nov 27, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

by the way this is the pyro build on this site

i need a nuker, though

i really dont understand energy management so someone help me out here plz

should i take out healing and put in elite glyph and fire attunement?

please SOMEONE HELP ME AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

also, i can either bring fire attunement or bring glyph of energy with meteor/meteor shower???

please answer me and tell me what to take out!

ok how bout this then?

fire magic 16 energy storage 13 protection 3

immolate
fireball
rodgorts invocation
glyph of energy
fire attunement
rebirth
meteor shower
searing heat/fire storm

HELP ME PLEASE!!!

no point of being an ele/monk without monk spells, eh?

so NO HEALING - WASTE OF PROFESSION!!!

And What The Hell Is Good About Ether Prodigy?!?!?!

hmm... i think ill go with this one... give me ups and downs plz

fire magic: 16
energy storage: 14
protection: 3

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
elemental attunement {E}
fire attunement
(i have no idea)
rebirth

anyone have ideas for the "i have no idea" slot?

anyone know a good fire staff to go with this build because exuros doesnt have enchants +20%, and many ppl say thats necessary for an attunement build

or does anyone have a better nuker with max DPS + energy management?

*edit* do the attunements stack? *edit*

Dr Strangelove · Nov 27, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Quadruple post FTL. There's an edit button for a reason.

Energy management is managing your energy so you can cast spells when you need to cast spells. Whether that's by not chain casting, or using skills that give you energy is up to you.

There's not really any point in bringing glyph of energy for your build. The whole point of glyph of energy to to get rid of exhaustion, not so much to conserve energy. If you want to be a pyro but don't have searing flames, try something like this:

Immolate
Fireball
Rodgort's Invocation
Incendiary Bonds
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Elemental Attunement [E]
Rez

There are many other choices for energy management, glyph of lesser energy, ether prodigy, and glowing gaze being the stand out winners.

An E/mo with ether prodigy is one of the most effective healers in the game, thanks to heal party. If you really feel you must concentrate on damage though, you're best sticking to that instead of trying to tank. Anyway, the monk spells you picked-healing breeze and healing hands- are two of the worst monk spells. They're a complete waste of a slot, on a wammo or a monk or an ele. There's a few threads floating around here about E/mo and healing, take a look at those.

Francis Crawford · Nov 27, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

You might want to stop yelling and cursing at the people you are asking for help.

ss1986v2 · Nov 27, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

wow... where to start? lol multi-posting ftl!

first off, your most recent build aint so bad, itll work just fine. as said before, if you have nightfall, id get searing and glowing gaze. probably the best dmg output for a fire ele right now. plus its easy to use. but whatever, its fine.

as for the use of ether prodigy, its best used for spamming higher cost skills, ex. heal party spam or with a blind bot.

now as for not using your secondary, not every build uses its secondary. just because its there doesnt mean you have to use it or that if you dont, you are missing out.

Xeones The Great · Nov 27, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

ok thx

LightningHell · Nov 27, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Quintiple Posts merged.