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Morgenstern · Dec 06, 2006, 08:29 AM // 08:29

If its only you who's using it what right do they have of nerfing it? Its obviously a good build, good on you. I think ANet only nerf when so many people use it that easy fame or faction farming becomes possible. I would say your fine. GL

Arcador · Dec 06, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I think some of the Nerfs are actually nerfs - Ether Renewal, Energizing Finale, etc - that reduce the effect of the skill like 3 times. I agree they needed a tunning down, but not into oblivion. Althou still usefull in some builds most guilds may never use them anymore. Other problem about the nerfing and the buffing is that there are good skills (at least on theory) but people won't take them untill they see someone use them in the meta stadium. Even someone may put them in a build, they will probably won't be encouraged since they will need 2-3+ games to get used with the strange build and the team will probably get frustated with the outcome and return to the gimmicks. But if some top guild succesfully uses such non top notch high end master uber skill - it will immediatelly see action from almost all others.

Lambentviper · Dec 06, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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1) Explain how this is over powered. It's a PvE build used to kill AI

so was the 55 and SB monk farm....it got nerfed. So was solo FoW/UW with 55 Necro...it got nerfed.

Thomas.knbk · Dec 06, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Why would Balthazar's Spirit be DF? Balth = Smiting.

Skill effect>skill name

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And this game is not made to cater only to PvPers. Grow up, man.

No, but still PvP balance is more important than PvE balance. You see, PvE is designed to let you win, so a minor unbalance is nothing to cry about. Your group of 8 is so much stronger than the monsters that with or without the unbalance, you'd still be able to beat them.
PvP is a whole different story. It's designed around all skills being equally strong. If a skill is unbalanced there you've got a much bigger problem, so PvP balance>PvE balance

Symbol · Dec 06, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

When cries about "PvE balance" stop being synonymous with "I couldn't care less until you nerf a skill I happen to be (ab)using" then A.net can take "PvE balance" seriously.

Zui · Dec 07, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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When cries about "PvE balance" stop being synonymous with "I couldn't care less until you nerf a skill I happen to be (ab)using" then A.net can take "PvE balance" seriously.

But everyone should realise that PvErs don't care about PvE balance. The just want to pwn baddies faster and easier, and feel like they're contributing to somthing monumental while doing so, oh, and they want FoW armor too. They're already playing a gametype where the odds are stacked heavily in their favor. You can't have a game that's equal and rigged at the same time. You can't have balanced PvE for the same reason, because PvE by it's nature, is stacked in favor of Players.

Arkantos · Dec 07, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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so was the 55 and SB monk farm....it got nerfed. So was solo FoW/UW with 55 Necro...it got nerfed.

Yes, spirit bond got nerfed. But 55mo and 55ne did not get nerfed, the AI got updated.

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Why would Balthazar's Spirit be DF? Balth = Smiting. Think > Post. As for EB in DF, sure, why not, it won't happen tho.

As Thomas said, effect>name. And how do you know EB won't get changed to DF? Are you in ANet? no.

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And it is overpowered. Anything that can solo an entire area [Hidden City of Ahdashim, to name just one area] is overpowered.

Wammo hasn't been called overpowered, and it can solo alot also.

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What, you think they nerfed Spirit Bond because it was being abused in PvP?

Quote me where I said that.

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And this game is not made to cater only to PvPers.

It caters PvP way more then PvE.

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Grow up man.

How am I being childish?

Etrik · Dec 07, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Yes, spirit bond got nerfed. But 55mo and 55ne did not get nerfed, the AI got updated.

Can you still farm with them? What's that? No? Then it got nerfed.

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As Thomas said, effect>name. And how do you know EB won't get changed to DF? Are you in ANet? no.

How do you know it will get changed to DF? Are you in ANet? No.

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Wammo hasn't been called overpowered, and it can solo alot also.

I betcha a normal Wammo farming build can't solo The Hidden City of Ahdashim.

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Quote me where I said that.

You didn't. But you said that skills aren't balanced for PvE. Spirit Bond is a prime example.

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It caters PvP way more then PvE.

About 65% PvP/35% PvE imho. True.

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How am I being childish?

Simply by posting in this topic.

Oh, and learn how to use the quote tags

Edit: Enough with the flames, let's get back on-topic.

I want to see SF nerfed - fast. Oh, and Spiritual Pain - that thing hurts!

Arkantos · Dec 08, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Oh, and learn how to use the quote tags

Sorry for forgetting a /. People make mistakes.

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How do you know it will get changed to DF? Are you in ANet? No.

I never said it would get changed into DF, I said it's a possibility. You, on the other hand, said you're positive it wouldn't.

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You didn't. But you said that skills aren't balanced for PvE. Spirit Bond is a prime example.

Spirit Bond is one of the very very very few skills that were changed due to PvE.

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Edit: Enough with the flames, let's get back on-topic.

No flames going on really, but I agree, lets get back on topic.

Eroth · Dec 08, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Alrighty guys I've got my answers and everything I need.

SP and SF are annoying as crap. they need to be tunned down some.

Etrik · Dec 08, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

SP?
Not sure what that is. I know of another imba build that isn't seeing much play.. but I won't reveal what it is till after the seasonal rebalance

thorgrimfelblade · Dec 10, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

just once i want people to stop calling it "Nerfs" Anet has done a good job balancing things you people are just looking for soemthing to complane about if you dont like what they do play somehting else.

and Btw people do care about PvE balance i have over 4k hours into GW and i do NO PvP because ppl cant keep it friendly but some of us do care so you that only pvp stop putting words into pveers mouths.

Patrick Smit · Dec 30, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Almost whole RA is noob it isn't that hard to win there.

Typical misinterpretation of what happens in random arena, RA mixes up a few individuals and sometimes they synergize, while other times they antagonize eachother. Ive been in extremely good teams, and very poor ones, a victory doesn't rely on one person, it depends on the team. If you still don't see that, then you are missing the point of the pvp game. Otherwise we would all engage in 1 vs. 1 scrimmage, if you want to tell how good YOU are. For now outcome of battle in random arena is still a team effort. One rusher/overextender can severly diminish your chances to win as you probably still spend your res signet on the mistake.

Solus_the_Deadly · Jan 11, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Funny how people can take text so personally..

But I seriously doubt you managed to kill over 400 people with 6 deaths, whatever build it is.

Considering your most likely lying, your "build" will not get nerfed.

Anet nerf things by changing a skill or changing how npcs react to skills ( for example spirt bond with energy and sheild of judgement with Aoe effect).