Curse

olly123 · Jan 07, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

ok i have jsut borrowed this for another post ( im very sorry jesh, if u dont want this here jsut tell me ill remove it.)

***ALSO THIS IS IMPORTANT, I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR THE FOLLOWING TEXT, THIS HAS ALL COME FORM ANOTHER POST WITH SOME ONE MORE CLEVERER THAN ME POSTING IT. I JSUT BELIVE THAT IT WOUDL BENIFIT Xeones The Great, HERE AS HE COULD BE LES LIKELY TO READ IT ELSE WHERE, AL CRED IT SHOULD GO TO JESH NOT ME, THANK YOU*** ( have to make that clear :P)

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Originally Posted by jesh

Light of Deliverance at 16 Healing Prayers heals for a maximum of 85*8= 680hp for 5 energy, which equates to 136hp per energy - very nice! The condition on Light of Deliverance, is of course, the party member has to be below 80% hp. Compare this to Word Of Healing - max of 84+106= 190hp for 5 energy, which equals 38 hp per energy. Notice that this is the same energy efficiency reached by healing only 1 other ally with Heal Area.
The conditions to reach large numbers with Light of Deliverance/Heal Area/Heal Party are also much easier to reach than with Word of Healing. Letting a target get to 50%hp often means they're already dead.

so this to me makes it look like LoD s bettetr than WoH, per heal per energy

(again im sorry jesh, if u dissapore jsut tell me and ill remove it :P, i jsut belive he'll benafit form, it here)

Burst Cancel · Jan 07, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by olly123

take what every one has said with a pinch of salt, because its manyly prefrences.

People need to stop saying that skill choice is 'player preference', because it usually isn't, and it definitely isn't in this case. You can argue definitively that for a given situation, spell X is better than spell Y, period. Consider the environment, run the numbers, and you get a solid answer.

For instance, LoD is nice in PvE because damage tends to be moderate and distributed. The 80% condition limits its efficiency somewhat, but LoD still beats many other elites even in non-optimal situations simply because its potential efficiency is so enormously high to begin with. The situation changes if you have a good team that can manage aggro. With such a team, you can reasonably expect that most of the damage will be concentrated on the tank. LoD is far less attractive here because you'll rarely get more than 75 out of it.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 07, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Lod on an otherwise traditional prot monk bar is hot.

Xeones The Great · Jan 07, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

again, LoD is out of question, because its a very little heal. personally, i dont give a crap about 680 total health healed. as burst said, if aggro is managed correctly, damage will usually focus on one person in pve. IMHO, LoD may be one of the worst heal elites out there, next to HH. consider this: what if one person is at 60% health, everyone else is near full. what a waste of an elite!!! also, i believe that even if damage is distributed, its just, imo, stupid to just spam a skill for every1 to gain hp. also, im going heal definitely, so ZB is out of question. so far, i havent been convinced that Word of Healing is not the most energy efficient healing elite out there. thanks.

ubard · Jan 07, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

again, LoD is out of question, because its a very little heal. personally, i dont give a crap about 680 total health healed. as burst said, if aggro is managed correctly, damage will usually focus on one person in pve. IMHO, LoD may be one of the worst heal elites out there, next to HH. consider this: what if one person is at 60% health, everyone else is near full. what a waste of an elite!!! also, i believe that even if damage is distributed, its just, imo, stupid to just spam a skill for every1 to gain hp. also, im going heal definitely, so ZB is out of question. so far, i havent been convinced that Word of Healing is not the most energy efficient healing elite out there. thanks.

it's pve. You need to be ready to play with utter nuts. (although i guess you could say the same about pug pvp.)

LoD and Heal Party are the two best skills in the healing prayers line imo. A prot monk has to work to keep up with party-wide pressure most of the time, yet excels at the protection and healing of individual targets. PvE groups in the harder areas appear to be bringing a prot monk and a heal monk because party-wide healing is one of the only thing healers can do that prot monks can't. I love LoD in PvE. But this is just a suggestion sort of post, just trying my best to enlighten you

WoH is very outdated now, even glimmer of light overshadows that thing.

They way i see it is that LoD is to Heal Party what WoH is to Heal Other... except... even more efficient.

So, my suggestion for a build would either be a Mo/E ZB prot monk with Glyph of Lesser Energy, an LoD healer, or an HB Healer (with glyph heal party)

P.S. somebody feel free to tell me if my guesses about "top-level" pve monking is garbage. i havn't actually been into that new area at all yet.

martialis · Jan 07, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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if aggro is managed correctly, damage will usually focus on one person in pve.

That is true. When it happens, and it's a joy to watch when it does, you can get by with casting healing breeze every 15 or 20 seconds. But the rest of the time, you need better spells.

Word of Healing isn't that bad. It used to be the best heal in the game, and everybody used it. If you want to use it, then use it. But take heal party, too, and things like dwayna's kiss and healing whisper. I think you'll change your mind.

The rest of us played through the game with the choice of our 2 elites, no glyph of lesser energy, and pugs. You kids have no idea how lucky you are.

For example, in that other thread about the river of flame, you have people running through lava, standing in lava and running away from the monsters. Now the warrior tries to tank, but the monsters are casters, and if you can hit them, they can hit you. So people are getting hit by fireballs, meteors, set on fire, attacked by little titans that suddenly appear, etc.

You're going to be spamming heal party non-stop, and it'll make you cry.

Xeones The Great · Jan 07, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

what i think is that LoD can be equally or even greaterly copied by glyph of lesser energy and heal party. word of healing heals for 228 health for allies under 50% and 122 for allies not under 50%. glimmer heals for 127 no matter what with a shorter recharge and charge. woh>glimmer>LoD

imo, orison isnt that bad, 101 health with 2 second recharge and for 5 energy. dont even try to lead to that singlepost about how horrible orison is, becuz it makes 0 sense.

woh
dwaynas kiss/mend condition
sig devotion
heal touch
orison
glyph of lesser energy
heal party
rebirth

glyph+heal party = some sort of LoD

orison = some sort of glimmer

woh cant really be matched, best way to repair extreme spikes, 228/122 hp every 4.75 seconds is unmatched.

this is the way its gonna be. period.

Effigy · Jan 07, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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