Curse

Kotetsu Rain · Dec 18, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

See my friend and I we're goofing off with the /e for an assassin aber and he decided to go lightning. He ended making build kinda like the falling shocker but he used conjure lightning for more spike damage.

Now I kinda ran over the skills never having played a Elemetalist primary and I quickly threw away fire as one my choices. I felt that energy mangment would be too cruel. I decided to dabble in Water magic (playing aorund with Mist Form, shatterstone, and water trident) and came up with this build:

Black Hydro

Atrributes:

Water magic - 12
Shadow Arts - 8
Critical Strikes - 8
Dagger Mastery - 11 (might be 10)

Skills:

1) Conjure Frost
2) Tenais Prison
3) Black Spider Strike
4) Horns of The Ox
5) Black Mantis Thrust
6) Feigned Neutrality
7) Vapor Blade
8) Water Trident [Elite]

Usage:
I'd cast Conjure frost on myself in advance and then Tenais Prison. In AB theres ALWAYS mass confusion and the person usually keeps walking so I cast Water Trident to slow them even more down. 1.3 secs later I start my chain of Black Spider Strike > Horns of the Ox > Black Final Thrust/Vapor Blade. Afterwards I'd cast Feigned Neutrality and hear the scream of someone 1 sec later. ^^

I always lsoe against his falling shocker build. (My friend) I don't want to beat him since the relaization of beating a KD build 1 on 1 with an a/e is pretty slim but I'd like to improve my build or come up with a whole new Hydro build all together.

So what do you guys got for me? ^^

l Artemis Entreri l · Dec 18, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

its good but uhhh...what is black final thrust?? i don't know so plz give skills description. do u mean black MANTIS thrust?? if so, u could use leaping mantis intstead is costs less energy but they have to be moving. also, instead of horns try TF for a faster kill. and if you need more healing or are in a place where u need a res, take out black w/e strike/thrust so u can res. also, there is a nasty recharge on teinais prison so try using shard storm but make sure ur already close to strike range first so the hex doesnt run out b4 u spider or lotus strike.energy could be a problem so i recommend black lotus instead of black spider strike. if mobility becomes a problem, use armor of mist(water skill that gives run speed AND armor) instead of conjure.also vapor blade's 2 sec cast time could be 1.) interrupted or 2.) target puts ench up b4 cast which makes this kind of an iffy skill but it looks like it would help kill the target fast. instead of black w/e strike/thrust u could also use glyph of elemental power b4 battle for conjure frost and other spells. looks like a good build and w/ some work, it can be better

Kotetsu Rain · Dec 19, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by l Artemis Entreri l

its good but uhhh...what is black final thrust?? i don't know so plz give skills description. do u mean black MANTIS thrust?? if so, u could use leaping mantis intstead is costs less energy but they have to be moving. also, instead of horns try TF for a faster kill. and if you need more healing or are in a place where u need a res, take out black w/e strike/thrust so u can res. also, there is a nasty recharge on teinais prison so try using shard storm but make sure ur already close to strike range first so the hex doesnt run out b4 u spider or lotus strike.energy could be a problem so i recommend black lotus instead of black spider strike. if mobility becomes a problem, use armor of mist(water skill that gives run speed AND armor) instead of conjure.also vapor blade's 2 sec cast time could be 1.) interrupted or 2.) target puts ench up b4 cast which makes this kind of an iffy skill but it looks like it would help kill the target fast. instead of black w/e strike/thrust u could also use glyph of elemental power b4 battle for conjure frost and other spells. looks like a good build and w/ some work, it can be better

Sorry lol I edited it in the post. I was kinda tired when I posted that.

I was thinking about using armor of mists for awhile but I didn't think it would matter if I had a snare anyway. I'll play test it and see whats up. The thing with Vapor Blade is that NO ONE sees it coming. I mean a sin with Vapor Blade? it's priceless! /laugh Thank you very much for your comment.

Yanman.be · Dec 19, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Won't work. Conjure on a sin != damage. Also, increase Critical Strikes to 13 at least.

Kotetsu Rain · Dec 19, 2006, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Won't work. Conjure on a sin != damage. Also, increase Critical Strikes to 13 at least.

My build won't work or his comment won't work? I was thinking about replacing Tenai's Prison for Shard storm but I was defenitingly going to keep Conjure Frost. If I'm really planning on using Twisting Fangs then I'm gonna take some points out of Dagger Mastery and feed them in to Critical Strikes. Insted of an extra attack I might just put in Disrupting Dagger/Disrupting Stab.

Yanman.be · Dec 19, 2006, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Conjure is only worth it when you're releasing alot of attacks.

Due to how the assassin works, you're not supposed to release many attacks.

Zip in, kill, zip out.

Conjure might buff your damage, but it's hardly worth it. You might as well take another attack skill or support skill.

It's the same reason why Locust's Fury sucks.

crucifix · Dec 19, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

the build is just bad in general.
feigned on a bar without paradox?

try shadow prison>burst of aggression>black spider>tf>back lotus>blades of steel. that will kill just about anything in one string. for the last 2 skills use deadly paradox and feigned neutrality.

the moral of the story: unless its shock, ele skills dont go on a sin for pvp. even then, shock sins are dead because, oh wait, black spider pwns it.

Kais Unduli · Dec 19, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

If you're going for sustained damage over time, then you're better off using conjure with a warrior. As Yan already said, sins port in, do their attack chain and port out.

Kotetsu Rain · Dec 19, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Ah well it was a thought. Thanks for the comments.

P.S. I hate that Shadow Prison build...

Yanman.be · Dec 19, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Me too. It's so easy.

Am I A Good Sin · Dec 19, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

*sigh* I've never really tried an A/E build but I think it'll be worth it. If no1 has a nice build for it and there is no standard way of playing that build then I say try again on a new build and then use it cause there won't be that many counters for a build every1 thinks sucks. That's my opinion anyways.
P.S. I used an MO/A and even empathy couldn't take out my dagger monk just because they hadn't planned on it. It pwned a spirit spammer that had 3 or 4 spirits up. If u want the build pm me in game on Roto Ur Best Friend. Its a tough build to use but if u use it long enough it pwns the living crap outta anything.

Dutch Masterr · Dec 19, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

i havent tried this yet but it might be a good idea for a build--

shatterstone--black lotus strike--horns of ox--falling spider--twisting fangs--dash, shadow refuge, optional

bassically run up to you target, put on shatterstone and then do the combo. just make sure to use black lotus directly after casting shatterstone. i cant put in the attributes because i havent even tried this and im in school at the moment....have fun with it.

l Artemis Entreri l · Dec 19, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

ya plz replace feigned w/ shad ref. is long recharge heal and ur energy management looks iffy. conjure IS sort of a skill slot waster in my opinion but hey, its ur build

. and btw try a major dag and a major crit rune. it gives mroe points for only -70 health and w/ +30 hp daggers and @ least a maj vig rune ur hp is @ a survivable level.and no TF on sin build= bad.

Chamber Asgardian · Dec 20, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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the moral of the story: unless its shock, ele skills dont go on a sin for pvp. even then, shock sins are dead because, oh wait, black spider pwns it. -Originally Posted by crucifix

Hahahaha...whew that made me laugh. Your confidence in the so-called uber pwnage shadow prison builds is so funny, because so far every shadow prison sin who comes to attack me ends up on the floor *unless I got jumped by more than one person in PvP which is on rare occasions* when they so call try to "pull a fast one on me." I'm telling you the truth. Shadow Prison sins are just way to predictable and can be easily countered, and yes people if you actually paid attention to your surroundings, you wouldn't be surprised seeing your health go down exponentially fast. It gets a little obvious when you see a thing covered with spikes coming near you. If you always consider yourself a target then survival is easy.

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by Chamber Asgardian

Hahahaha...whew that made me laugh. Your confidence in the so-called uber pwnage shadow prison builds is so funny, because so far every shadow prison sin who comes to attack me and up on the floor when they so call try to "pull a fast one on me." I'm telling you the truth. Shadow Prison sins are just way to predictable and can be easily countered, and yes people if you actually paid attention to your surroundings, you wouldn't be surprised seeing your health go down exponentially fast.

So you were that Shield of Judgement warrior I saw in Random Arena.

Chamber Asgardian · Dec 20, 2006, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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So you were that Shield of Judgement warrior I saw in Random Arena.

Ummm...I don't play or have a warrior and if I was I would never use Shield of Judgement, that's just noob; especially when there's the ripostes and gladiator's defense. Also I'm usually almost always on my sin, except for when I farm UW and FoW.

-.- · Dec 20, 2006, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Haha, oh wow. Riposte and Gladiator's Defense in Random Arena? How failable is that? Very.

Chamber Asgardian · Dec 20, 2006, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Well, it's better than Shield of Judgement waste of an elite slot for a war. When he should be using other things. That's why they have stances and other things to block and evade melee dmg. O wait I forgot you like using GuildWiki builds and have no capacity to make up one on your own. Okay watever we shouldn't be highjacking this thread anyways it's about the OP's build. Talking about warriors isn't going to help an assassin

Am I A Good Sin · Dec 20, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37

Exactly. And besides we have a choice to play how we want. some ppl might find a way to use that shield of judgement skill. Like a 45+ hp on a shield. Idk never really used shield of judgement. U shouldn't criticize a build u haven't used or if it doesn't do good a time or 2.
Ok back on subject. I think that in PvE a earth instead of water ele skills would do better. Since in pve usually its a mob that gets u with quick low dmg ( an example =25+85+15+90+37 ) using the earth +armour skills would easily let a sin survive in a mob without having to leave quickly. Using water skills I would say get a lot of conditions from ur dagger skills. Probably the standard GPS---HoTo---FS---TF would be ok for pvp if u have an enchantment skill ( if mist form is an enchant then ur set ). If not then get a different enchantment that doesn't cost much and might help u a bit. Probably good for PvP if u get the conditions in quick. Idk tho since I've never tried this or ever used the water ele skills. Eh just trying to help.

Yanman.be · Dec 20, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

IMO No one has right of speech unless they play all classes. IMO.