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Xeones The Great · Dec 17, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

why dont ppl like this skill?

at 16 crit strikes, u strike for +111 damage if ur foe is above 90%hp

so u can be the first person to get there (shodow step or something)

and deal a crapload of damage!!!

am i right or just stupid?

-.- · Dec 17, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Because I rather have access to Twisting Fangs through a quicker way.

Xeones The Great · Dec 17, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

......??????

ss1986v2 · Dec 17, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

unsuspecting strike is a very good skill. cost is can be an issue but it still has good +dmg even when not above 90%. the only issue is that a lot of assassins dont use a lead attack. one of the best, or at least the most used combos revolves around the horn of ox, falling spider, twisting fangs chain. most assassins use an off-hand attack that doesnt require a lead attack to start the chain off faster (get to TF as -.- said) and conserve skill slots (4 slots vs 5 slots). just look at the old AoD sin that used GPS or the newer shadow prison sin with BLS. lets you free up an extra slot for utility.

Xeones The Great · Dec 17, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

kk i guess...

pve-er · Dec 18, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

call me a noob but I use Unsuspected Strike. I love it, I use conventional combo so it is easier to apply to my enemy. I only do PvE and it works for me.

twicky_kid · Dec 18, 2006, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Of course it will work in PvE because there are very few monks.

Sins attack chains are all based on twisted fangs. No assassin is going to kill within his combo without using twisted.

Yanman.be · Dec 18, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

so u can be the first person to get there (shodow step or something)

I don't like this sentence. It means you overextend so easily, and die. Sure, you can shadowstep, but stay in the backline untill your enemies are fighting other allies.

ACreator · Dec 18, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

actualy I dont use twistling fangs..

unsuspecting strike (yes I use it!!) + fox fangs + horns of ox + moebius + horns of ox + moebius + horns of ox + moebius....

belive it works.. I use it in Pvp..

Hyunsai · Dec 18, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43

I would use it if it was 5 energy cost.

Yanman.be · Dec 18, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by ACreator

actualy I dont use twistling fangs..

unsuspecting strike (yes I use it!!) + fox fangs + horns of ox + moebius + horns of ox + moebius + horns of ox + moebius....

belive it works.. I use it in Pvp..

That should only work on squishies. I don't think you can get below 50% hp with just those 3 skills that easily. Proove me wrong.

Dutch Masterr · Dec 18, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

yes, it is the strongest single attack for assassin, but it is a lead attack making it innefitient in pvp (in my opinion). also if your build is centered around lead+offhand+dual, it makes using unsuspecting strike pointless again because of the energy cost and less damage. although, used with burst of aggression to get to the dual faster, it would work well.

Muk Utep · Dec 18, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06

The energy cost is quite high. Assuming that the basic, non-conditional portion of the skill is worth 5 energy, you pay an additional 5 energy for like 50 extra damage but only against opponents with full hp. In PvE, I find that enemies in a group rarely have full hp after you've killed the first, especially if your party has any kind of AoE or barrage. If its conditional bonus was something you could control, such as the "if hexed/crippled/bleeding" skills, it would be great. As it is now, the fact that it costs 10 energy and that the condition is often hard to meet makes it too clumsy and the benefit is too rare. The cost is too steep, especially if you want to use a 4-skill combo where another skill also costs 10 energy, and there's simply better skills to use in most situations. It's not a terrible skill, it's actually quite good when you can use it on an opponent with more than 90% health. That's just not possible often enough. To make this skill truly good (perhaps too good) it could read something like:

Unsuspecting Strike (Critical Strikes)
5 energy, 4sec cooldown
If this attack hits, you strike for +19...29 damage. If your target was above 90% Health this skill costs 10 energy and deals an additional 15...63 damage.

ACreator · Dec 18, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

@ Yanman.be

I can prove it so I will make a video with fraps then post it here.. gonna take a while.. (slow upload)

I will show u doing it on the temple of balthasar on those kinda suits to train.

gonna show in 80 armor and in 100, u need 1 or 2 normal atack blows to lower the HP.

if u dont think it proof go to AB and test it... if they are alone 90% of guys die.

Chamber Asgardian · Dec 19, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

Quote:

why dont ppl like this skill?

at 16 crit strikes, u strike for +111 damage if ur foe is above 90%hp

so u can be the first person to get there (shodow step or something)

and deal a crapload of damage!!!

am i right or just stupid?

Well, I think this skills has its purpose in PvE, but for PvP its bleh. No offense, but once I see another assassin starting off with Unsuspecting Strike against me, I breath a sigh of relief knowing I'll easily kick there a**. These words come from experience b/c no sin who has used this against me as there lead has lived. The best route is the no lead attack route.

Carth` · Dec 19, 2006, 04:45 AM // 04:45

The reason I don't use it is an initial high hit isn't all that useful for a sin, and is likely to get healed. It costs too much for something that doesn't help me kill my target. Now if it was Ununsuspecting Strike (if target is below 25% health it does a huge amount of damage), that would be nice.

Likewise I wouldn't use my Executioner's Strike on a target at 100% health. I save it for my adrenaline spike when I'm making my attempt to kill the target.

Shantel Span · Dec 19, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

It's probably one of the (or simply the) highest damage Lead strike out there.

That said, I never use it. I spend all my energy on finishing my opponent off with high damage Dual's or followups, and I don't want to spend ten energy (two thirds my total energy....cough) on the lead attack. Its huge damage is only good at the start of an encounter, which means most of the fight it's going to be more or less a subpar lead attack. It also doesn't give any added benefit like most leads do - I generally use Black Lotus (for an extreme energy boost) or Disrupting Stab with my daze build.

Kais Unduli · Dec 19, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

I've found using unsuspecting strike first usually kills my energy, not allowing me to follow up my chain properly to finish off my opponent. Only time I use it now is if I'm farming Dajkah Inlet with my Rt/A.

Am I A Good Sin · Dec 19, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Well I would like to disagree with unsuspecting strike is to much energy or I'm never beaten by it. This is what ppl have told me when I use it. I use this skill more than half the time. Its actually 1 of my favorite skills of all time. Think about it for a sec. Even tho its most effective at 90% or above enemies it still does around a warrior damaging attack if ur enemy is below 90%. Then also energy cost? No prob. Use zealous dagger tang and with NF an energy inscription. Then critical strikes at 13 dagger at 11 or 12 and if ur a monk healing can get up to 10. All depends on how u use ur runes and attribute points.

Carth` · Dec 20, 2006, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by Am I A Good Sin

and if ur a monk healing can get up to 10

That just suggests to me you're trying to be a wammo in assassins clothes. What do you use 10 healing for? Tanking isn't what sins do best.

What people have said still stands. You are spending 10 energy on a skill that only does its 100+ damage once, and then for the rest of the fight does less. The most powerful attacks are your offhand and dual attacks, if you are serious about assassinating someone, use an attack chain that skips the lead attack and lets you do the offhand > dual > offhand > dual chain.

I'm not saying you should never use a lead attack, there are some that can be useful, but doing extra damage to a target at full health? I prefer to extra damage continuously to the target no matter what his health is.