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Craze Horse · Nov 12, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I know what your probably thinking. Bears aren't that great because of their Brutal Mauling skill. That is, before nightfall came out. Now with paragons there are certain shouts such as burning anthem or go for the eyes that are triggered with an attack skill.

Bears are the only pets that technically use an attack skill. As far as I know when you use a pet shout, the next time the pet attacks that effect is applied.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be a situational advantage with a bear as a pet over any other pet? Comments appreciated

Shinto Sharingan · Nov 12, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50

WOW...i never would have thought of that! Can you (or someone with a bear) test this?

Captain Arne Is PRO · Nov 12, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Bears are also the best pet when fighting something with spells such as SS, as it attacks slowest due to Brutal Mauling. :P

So YES, in some cercumstances the slow bear prevails.

Thorondor Port · Nov 12, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

you had better find these necros casting SS on pets, and make sure they uninstall.

Dire White Tiger ftw

Detraya fullvear · Nov 12, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

you had better find these necros casting SS on pets, and make sure they uninstall.

Dire White Tiger ftw

sure, because putting ss on a pet that cant stop attacking is a horriable idea!

Shadis · Nov 12, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

That's actually very interesting. It didn't even cross my mind either.

Anger Problems · Nov 12, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

You could fix its attack speed with an enemy Mesmer using Soothing Images.

LightningHell · Nov 12, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Anger Problems

You could fix its attack speed with an enemy Mesmer using Soothing Images.

Soothing Images only prevents the building of adrenaline.

Reikai · Nov 12, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

it doesn't trigger. Its been tested.

Craze Horse · Nov 12, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Alright, thats what I needed to know. Thank you Reikai.

Jay Shrine · Nov 12, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

What about the Jahai Rat? that uses a skill so it cant be diseased,dno if they use it often or if its just a sort of power they mantain,im not that far into Nightfall,can someone check it out?

Sir Mad · Nov 12, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Actually I know a weird mage who use to bring his pet bear most of the time - foes with interupts will try to interupt brutal mauling instead of his spells. I wouldn't do that, but erm... bears are not completely useless compared to other pets (notice the [i] tag warping "completely").

sister morphyne · Nov 23, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I dont want to start a fight with you boys but has anyone apart from me actually ever tested the bear debate on DPS?

Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.

Bears rule

XvArchonvX · Nov 23, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by sister morphyne

I dont want to start a fight with you boys but has anyone apart from me actually ever tested the bear debate on DPS?

Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.

Bears rule

I haven't tested it personally, but Jenosavel and Epinephrine did a pretty thorough job lookin into it, so I feel confident in taking their word for it.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491

Raithgason · Nov 24, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Havent tested the bears dps for myself. But this idea of the bear and the paragon chant seems cool. I'll give it a try. Thanks agian

sister morphyne · Nov 24, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

I haven't tested it personally, but Jenosavel and Epinephrine did a pretty thorough job lookin into it, so I feel confident in taking their word for it.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491

*sigh*

like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result......

Nothing like a good field test.....

Program Ftw · Nov 24, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

you had better find these necros casting SS on pets, and make sure they uninstall.

Putting SS on a pet is common among Necro's that know what they are doing, a pet will follow its team, it wont stop attacking, and the monk won't normally remove a hex from a pet, do you understand now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

Dire White Tiger ftw

Join the club.

Thanks,
Program~

Sir Mad · Nov 24, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sister morphyne

*sigh*

like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result......

Nothing like a good field test.....

Actually Jenosavel and Epinephrine ran several tests to make sure of that - I'm quoting a pragraph of the guide:

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Originally Posted by Jenosavel and Epinephrine

(5) The speed results are from two tests, the first was timing 100 strikes - if you allow for a miscount of up to 1 strike in either direction you get an estimate of the error. The error on this testing resulted in a range of ~2.12-2.17 for each pet type (excepting the bear, which was 2.60-2.62); the other test was a count of strikes over 5 minutes, resulting in 141 strikes mostly, but once or twice on a species I'd get 140. 300seconds/141strikes = 2.13; 300seconds/140 strikes=2.14, it has a smaller error due to the longer period, say 2.12-2.15 or so, adding a strike in either direction. That's pretty much the same range. Estimating experimental error and measurement error isn't easy. I suspect we're talking a miscount of +/- 1 though. The bear counted 115 attacks over 300 seconds, so 2.59-2.63 seems like a very safe estimate of its attack speed. Animals were tested at level 5 and level 20, to ensure speed stayed the same. The sole creature that varied was the Moa/Strider, which begins at level 3 with an attack period of ~1.6 seconds, but drops from there, reaching 2.14 seconds by level 17.

XvArchonvX · Nov 24, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by sister morphyne

*sigh*

like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result......

Nothing like a good field test.....

It's been tested thoroughly and as a result has been made the pet guide for Guru:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ide-id1575.php

And you can quote the reasoning for bears' lesser damage output:
"The Bear's brutal mauling slows it's attack speed, but does not add any damage."
The numbers that back this up are here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...e-id1575.php#5

This is what Sir Mad posted, but also has a handy little chart showing their results as well.

Silk Weaver · Nov 24, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Dire White Tiger ftw.

Mine's called Doggie ^^