Curse

R3LIC · Sep 26, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Been trying to come up with my own PvE warrior setup. I want something with quick charging skills and team buffs. Her's what i got:

Strength: 9 (8+1)
Swordsmanship: 15 (11+1+3)
Tactics: 12 (11+1)

Weapon 1: Dadao Sword (Energy +5, 20/19 Sunder, +29hp, Customized)
Weapons 2: Spatha (15^50 , Zealous, +29hp, Customized)
Armor: Gladiator's + Berserker's + Duelist's Helm
Shield: Sunreach's Shield / Geoffer's Bulwark

1> Sever Artery
Cost: 4A---If this attack hits, the opponent will begin bleeding for 25 seconds, losing health over time.

2> Riposte
Cost: 4A---For 8 seconds, while you have a sword equipped, you "Block" the next attack against you, and your attacker takes 68 damage.

2> Gash (Alternative)
Cost: 7A---If this attack hits a bleeding foe, you strike for 20 more damage and that foe suffers a deep wound, lowering that foe's maximum Health by 20% for 20 seconds.

3> Quivering Blade {E}
Cost: 4A---If Quivering Blade hits, you strike for +40 damage. If it is "blocked," Quivering Blade is disabled for 4 seconds and you are Dazed for 5 seconds.

4> Silverwing Slash
Cost: 8A---This attack strikes for +40 damage if it hits.

4> Standing Slash (Alternative)
Cost: 7A---If it hits, Standing Slash deals +20 damage plus an additional 20 damage if you are in a stance.

5> "Shields Up!"
Cost: 10E, Recast: 30s---For 18 seconds you and nearby allies gain 50 armor against piercing damage and 50% chance to block incoming projectile attacks.

5> Shield Stance (Alternative)
Cost: 5E, Recast: 45s---For 18 seconds, while wielding a shield, you have a 75% chance to block incoming attacks, but you move 33% slower.

5> Dolyak Signet (Alternative)
No Cost, Recast: 20s---For 15 seconds, you have +28 Armor and cannot be knocked down, but your movement is slowed by 75%.

6> "Watch Yourself!"
Cost: 4A---Party members near you gain +20 AL for 10 seconds.

7> Healing Sigent
No Cost---You gain 130 health. You have -40 armor while using this skill.

8> Rebirth
Cost: 10E---Resurrect target party member. Target party member is returned to life with 25% health and zero energy, and is teleported to your current location. All of target's skills are disabled for 10 seconds. This spell consumes all of your remaining energy.

Note: When I take Shield Stance, I typically replace Silverwing Slash with Standing Slash (+34 Dmg in a Stance). I don't use this often due to the recast time of Shield Stance.

Have a few questions of opinion about this build.
Would it be more beneficial to replace Silverwing Slash with Final Thrust ?
Would it be better to go 13 Str, 11 Sword, 11 Tac and use Sentinel's Armor ?
I can change to any secondary. I've looked here ang guild-wiki for other general PvE builds that suit me and didn't find much. Any all-around builds that might be better?

Pick Me · Sep 26, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I like Final Thrust, so I would say yes (as QB only needs 4 adrenaline and does the same damage)

No. You need at least 12 into Swordsmanship (otherwise you won't do as much damage).

Good builds are defined by your style of play and what works for you. What others say is a good or great build, may not be so for you.

I am surprised you don't have Gash, since you have Sever Artery.

I think Deadly Riposte is better than Riposte (as it doesn't just stop the 1st attack only).

Otherwise, not too bad.

**Marty Silverblade** · Sep 26, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Deadly Riposte ends on the first attack too...

Since you have many high adrenaline skills i'd say to take dragon slash as your elite. I'd try the following:

Sever Artery
Gash
Silverwing Slash
Standing/Galrath Slash
Dragon Slash
<Defensive skill>
<Defensive skill>
Rebirth

R3LIC · Sep 27, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

i don't have alot of high adrenaline skills, thats the point behind this.

i don't like gash due to the high adr cost.

i take riposte over deadly riposte because it does more dmg and i dont need the bleeding from deadly riposte. also riposte uses adrenaline.

would using a superior swordsmanship rune (14) increase my base dmg ?
if so, is it worth the -75hp ?

jesh · Sep 27, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Gash gives deep wound, which is -20% of a target's HP. That means about 100 *added* damage in most cases. It's worth every bit of that 8 adrenaline.

Dragon Slash also makes the cost of the other skills easier to bear, as it gives you back adrenaline when you use it.

Riposte over deadly riposte I definitely agree with, it's much easier to get adrenaline, and there is a recharge on Deadly Riposte that cannot really be avoided.

As far as a superior rune... YES. With less than 14 in a weapon attribute I feel small. Besides, your shield will typically give you +45hp, and another +41-50 from your vigor rune.

I would definitely NOT take Sever Artery if you do not plan to use Gash. All this skill does is add bleeding, besides taking up a skill slot. 6 damage per second is a lot less than adding another attack skill in its place. Which one would I reccomend? Probably Protector's Strike. It has a 1/2 second cast time, instead of your regular attack speed. Think of it as a Quick Shot you can use after every other attack. Extra adrenaline, damage, with a possible +32 or so. How can you go wrong? It will put stress on your energy though, a zealous sword mod works great here.

Quivering Blade, I have no problems with if you are a warrior/necro. Why? Plague touch makes it elite worthy.

(you can always use a res sig instead of rebirth)
Otherwise, I'd probably rather take Dragon Slash or Hundred Blades.

What I usually find myself doing on my warriors is using 16 weapon, 11 str, 9 tactics. The exception right now is my hammer warrior, who's slated for 16 hammer, 13 str, nothing else. It makes me giddy thinking about it. Thanks to everyone who's helped me on that, by the way. ^.^

Shadowfox1125 · Sep 27, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

To tweak your build because I don't like changing everything (you might not be used to the changes >.>):
Sever Artery
Gash
Quivering Blade
Watch Yourself
Healing Signet
Flurry or Tiger Stance
Plague Touch
Rez Sig

If you take Sever Artery, always take Gash.
Put a sup sword rune on your helm. I usually go 16(axe/sword), 9 strength, 11 tactics. IMO, I don't feel Sentinel's Armor is necessary because it basically renders Tactics completely useless. Oh, and I'd recommend to not use that +5 energy sword, warriors don't need the added energy. Stick with the 15^50. And as for Sword hilts, go with zealous or Vampiric over sundering. There's a long thread around here debating between Vamp and Sundering. Sundering is occasionally good, but you need 20/19 or 20/20 for it to make any difference compared to a vampiric sword hilt.

Try this sword build:
Flurry/Tiger Stance
Sever Artery
Gash
Dragon Slash
Sun and Moon Slash
Healing Signet
_Your choice_
Rez

R3LIC · Sep 27, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41

updated original post after taking some advice.

added a superior rune of swordsmanship and picked up a 15^50 zealous spatha of fortitude.

was also considering a more energy-intensive build, something like:
Jaizhenju Strike
Pure Strike
Seeking Blade
Standing Slash/Final Thrust
Warrior's Endurance {E}
Watch Yourself
Healing Signet
Rebirth

thought of this as i was trying to fight naga rangers all using escapse and evading everything. haven't tried it yet though. anyone use something like this?

anyone have input on a Strength of Honor + Signet of Strength combo ?
this would require me to take all my point out of tactics (no self-heal)

i've tried a Judge's Insight + Primal Rage setup. It was quite nice but i hate the 2 second cast for JI (gets interrupted alot) but it does 40-50+ dmg every hit for 10 seconds.

jesh · Sep 27, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I think the general consensus is that Battle Rage {E}, (with adrenaline skills), is much better than Warrior's Endurance {E} with energy skills.
I just saw this somewhere yesterday, ah well. You'll find it if you look for it.

However, the elite of choice for almost any sword build is Dragonslash. Emapthic Removal also seems nice, for w/mos, but for sure you won't be doing as much damage.

Strength of Honor is a good skill - beware though, that it is an enchant. It can get stripped and end up hurting you more than helping. Signet of Strength is also a nice buff, but skills like Hundred Blades or Cyclone Axe can use it up very quickly. Using both would not be a bad idea, granted you're in an area with not too many mesmers. With only 1 pip of regen, I'd go with all adrenal skills, or.. Warrior's Endurance, as you suggested.

R3LIC · Oct 02, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

i tried out a battle rage setup yesterday and noticed something.

has battle rage been updated?

when u renew battle rage, u lose all adrenaline as if it ends. i dont recall this happening before.

is this new or has it just been that long since i used it?

manager · Oct 02, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Battle Rage has allways worked like that, afaik.

kazjun · Oct 03, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

If you want to hit evading enemies, take griffons sweep (or leviathans sweep)
so you knock down evaders. Also, if you're using warriors endurance, taking wild blow stops all enemy stances so your allies can hit them too

I think battle rage has always been like that, you can get some really brutal hammer combos going if you use it with "for great justice". Shut down anyone for like twenty secs, or kill them while they constantly get knocked over