Curse

Shuuda · Aug 14, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

This has maybe been mentioned before, but Ive never seen it, so here ya go. Ive not ever tested it out, but I was thinking of this build based around these skills

A/Me

Dagger masterey - 15 (11 + 3 + 1)
Critical masterey - 10 or 9 ( 9 or 8 + 1)
shadow arts - 6 - 9
Illusion magic - all extra points

Shadow ref
Fevered Dream
Black lotus strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling spider
blinding powder (optional)
Twised fangs.
a shadow step skill (maybe shadow of haste or return)

Daggers: Any that lenghten, poison, bleed or deep wound, or zealous.

Ive found from using my AoD shock assassin that Spider and Fangs give powerful degen, this idea simple give that good degen to all foe in the area.

This could be useful in PvE for taking on large mobs or in AB for solo capping shrines.

Feedback please...

Pick Me · Aug 15, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

I don't think Fevered Dreams has a large are of effect, I think monsters must be somewhat close to each other for it to be effective (but not adjacent).

I know there have been builds that go along with this idea (R/Me, N/Me, W/Me), and I think there is an A/Me build along these lines too (somewhere in this forum).

But nice build anyway.

Shuuda · Aug 15, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Ive made some changes.....
Intead of horns of the ox, I use mark of instablity - black lotus - twisted fangs - falling spider (+ blinding powder at ether black lotus or after spider)

lord_shar · Aug 16, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

I've tried fevered dreams + conditions build before... didn't like it since FD took up the elite slot, thereby making temple strike + skull crack inaccessible. I've had more success with the condition bomber build in this URL: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3008187&page=3

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Pfff, I hate A/Mo's, they are pointless because a good assassin won't need that much healing. Temple Strike is good, and could be powerful if you used fragility, but my build not only has nearly the same powerful 1 on 1 offence that the A/E shock assassin does, but can spread conditions to foe in the area, to help ur teammates.

The A/E condition bomber is alot more powerful, and faster than any A/Mo can be. Personaly I think that monk is the worst secondary an assassin can take, Unless you use something like judge's insight to do holy damage and Pwn undead and necro's.

But thank you for mentioning temple strike, lets see if this idea works

Fragility
Mark of instability
Jagged strike
Temple strike [E]
twisted fangs
Falling spider
shadow ref
Dash

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

BTW your A/W is hardly a condition bomber, and it takes to much time to do good damage, A/E can just AoD - shock - falling spider - twisted fangs - end AoD, thats not only do nice damage, but it's fast, and leaves the Foe with massive degen.

Pick Me · Aug 16, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

I can't believe you think A/Mo is the worst combo. I have an A/Mo and she is doing well.

Indefinite long lasting enchantments, hard rez, curing conditions, removing hexes. I don't trust monks in PUGs, most of them do not remove conditions (ritualists do though).

Blindness is the worst condition against me, so I make sure if someone blinds me, I cure myself and do my combos.

I don't consider my monk side to heal, thats what Shadow Arts is there for.

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

let me guess, you use Mending and Shiro's blades (or a vamp weapon), and use those skills that give you HP when ever u hit, thats the worst combo ever. All I have to do is shock, - falling spider - blinding powder - twisted fangs. that shuts them down completly, most of them don't even bring a condition remover, how stupid of them and if they do, I just take advantage of their time wasting and finsh them, whiles they are trying to mend the conditions.

Pick Me · Aug 16, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

let me guess, you use Mending and Shiro's blades (or a vamp weapon), and use those skills that give you HP when ever u hit, thats the worst combo ever. All I have to do is shock, - falling spider - blinding powder - twisted fangs. that shuts them down completly, most of them don't even bring a condition remover, how stupid of them and if they do, I just take advantage of their time wasting and finsh them, whiles they are trying to mend the conditions.

Your guess is wrong. I don't have mending.

I have retribution, Mend Ailment, Rebirth, and skills that give me energy, give good damage, kd, and teleport (and a disrupt and of course healing).

I don't use vampiric, I never liked those weapons. I do agree with you, Mending+vampiric weapon+live vicariously+vigorous spirit is a stupid combo. Wammos love using though.

Of course, I will run around so you can't hit me (since I will be blind). I'll hide behind a rock and close my eyes and say "If I can't see him, he can't find me."

(sarcasm).

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Running is pointless as you well also be Poisoned for 21 seconds as well as bleeding and deep wound for 15 seconds, and you cannot run and cast Mend Ailment at the same time, and if u do, you have to w8 for it to recharge b4 you can get rid of bleeding and poison. But atleast you have a brain.

Pick Me · Aug 16, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Running is pointless as you well also be Poisoned for 21 seconds as well as bleeding and deep wound for 15 seconds, and you cannot run and cast Mend Ailment at the same time, and if u do, you have to w8 for it to recharge b4 you can get rid of bleeding and poison. But atleast you have a brain.

Sorry, my sarcasm was the entire paragraph from running to me hiding.

Thanks for saying I have a brain (assuming you mean, I have some intelligence).

I've seen too many assassins and Wammos in PvE to see how people play and the foolishness of the skills that they equip and how they are used. Their play style is reckless and thoughtless (as far as party teaming is concerned). I learn from them as how not to act, and in PvP people tend to be more intelligent than computer AI. Therefore, you must play as if they are as intelligent if not more so than you (assuming you are more intelligent than AI). Personally I like playing against people I know, then I can communicate with them while playing. Its so much fun hearing screams from other people when you face them.

Xx Invictus xX · Aug 16, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I used a fevered dreams condition assassin about a month ago for AB …. I enjoyed it… then it took to long to cast… and with no hex to cover it up… it seemed hard to use with a good monk against you...

I came to a conclusion that if I had a mesmer with Fevered dreams calling it out… that my assassin would be more effiecent… having my elite slot open plus the mesmer to cover up FD…

Good build though with FD + black lotus strike… u get most energy back for combo…

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xx Invictus xX

I used a fevered dreams condition assassin about a month ago for AB …. I enjoyed it… then it took to long to cast… and with no hex to cover it up… it seemed hard to use with a good monk against you...

I came to a conclusion that if I had a mesmer with Fevered dreams calling it out… that my assassin would be more effiecent… having my elite slot open plus the mesmer to cover up FD…

Good build though with FD + black lotus strike… u get most energy back for combo…

good idea. how about a duel build

A/N
Mark of instablity
Black lotus
Twisted fangs
falling spider
Blinding powder
Recall
Vriulence {e}
Shadow ref

Me/N
Fevered dreams {e}
Fragility
Rotting flesh
Distortion (for protection)
optional
optional
optional
optional

Basicly mesmer casts (and clovers) fevered dreams. the assassin runs in and does the combo, then ends recall ( and goes back to the mesmer, and casts Vriulence, lets see that, poison, bleeding, deep wound, weakness, blinding, Disease, (the mesmer can cast rotting flesh in cast the assassin dies b4 casting Virulence.

Hey, ya never know, it could work.

Shuuda · Aug 16, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Erm as for Atts

Me/N
illusion 16
death magic 12

A/N
Dagger 15
Critical 9
shadow 6
Death ( all other points)

Yanman.be · Aug 16, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

you know you can edit your posts?

lord_shar · Aug 16, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

BTW your A/W is hardly a condition bomber, and it takes to much time to do good damage, A/E can just AoD - shock - falling spider - twisted fangs - end AoD, thats not only do nice damage, but it's fast, and leaves the Foe with massive degen.

I can't tell which build this refers to, since my condition-bomber is A/Mes, not A/W. However, my A/Mes' was the only one named "condition bomber" and specfically made for PvE end-game zones like Raisu palace. It can be modified with Blinding Powder replacing Return for more anti-melee control.

I did make an A/W "hyper-sin" build that hits with IAS-enhanced attack speeds to drop 60AL targets in 5-seconds flat, but that's a different set-up.

What's the fastest kill speed of this build vs. 60AL and 100AL targets? The best builds I've clocked usually kill in 5 sec. vs. 60AL, and 7 seconds vs. 100AL.

Shuuda · Aug 17, 2006, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Sure I believe you, now plz, lets gaet back on topic.

Ermac · Oct 08, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

I've seen too many assassins and Wammos in PvE to see how people play and the foolishness of the skills that they equip and how they are used. Their play style is reckless and thoughtless (as far as party teaming is concerned). I learn from them as how not to act, and in PvP people tend to be more intelligent than computer AI.

The parties you play'd with must have been horrible if they were worse than you, An assassin with Retribution, Mend ailment and rebirth.

lapsus · Oct 09, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

better safe then sorry.... many monks do only bring heals and blindess can't be healed over..... many ritualists spells do

pve-er · Oct 09, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lapsus

better safe then sorry.... many monks do only bring heals and blindess can't be healed over..... many ritualists spells do

Agree with you, Monk is already too busy healing the dumb tank when they got all the degen yes still tanking on low health. they have no extra slot too remove condition or hex.

I only do PvE
I myself use A/mo and no one ever complaint that I didn't deal enough damage or die like noob. unlike Pick Me, I use purge condition, because like a old chinese saying "bad thing don't come alone" mend ilment took too much time and energy when condition are spam on you (blind, bleeding, poison deep wound, cripple. seriously I had that before.)mend ilment can't deal with them fast enough nor I have choise to choose what I want to remove.

rebirth is a good skill to carry when one need a teammate to be rez but monk is too busy healing the rest that live.

life shealth and Healing burst can help ease monk's burden.

yes monk's skill don't help you kill faster but it keep the team live better when accidents occur