Curse

kazjun · Oct 04, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Sure you can weapon swap, but can you really be bothered to do that in pve? I mean, swapping for +15 en gear after each time you hit with it?
You could do that in pvp, and you need to if you're going to stance dance, but there's only really so many people you need to kill in pvp. In pve, are you going to do this while you mow down mob after mob? Cause there's a lot of them. Well, sort of mow down since you really only output one attack every now and then in between your normal hits. May be cool to do this at first, but it'd get annoying real quick. Or maybe I'm just lazy...

LightningHell · Oct 04, 2006, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by kazjun

Sure you can weapon swap, but can you really be bothered to do that in pve? I mean, swapping for +15 en gear after each time you hit with it?
You could do that in pvp, and you need to if you're going to stance dance, but there's only really so many people you need to kill in pvp. In pve, are you going to do this while you mow down mob after mob? Cause there's a lot of them. Well, sort of mow down since you really only output one attack every now and then in between your normal hits. May be cool to do this at first, but it'd get annoying real quick. Or maybe I'm just lazy...

Well, it's reflex to me when I play anything and have something that empties my Energy pool...actually, I hide my energy whenever possible by habit.

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Is any sword skill better then axe besides sever artery ??

I say axe is better...flame away

LightningHell · Oct 04, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Franco

Is any sword skill better then axe besides sever artery ??

I say axe is better...flame away

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And of course the ability to use an Utility elite.

I Brother Bloood I · Oct 04, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10053997

I did a little thread on swords + utility elites in that topic. Charging Strike->Bulls Strike->Chargins Strike->Final Thrust = GG

EDIT - Nightfall utilities that is.

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY EVISCERATE IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY EXECUTIONER STRIKE IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY REZIGN REZIGN REZIGN

LOL sorry I couldnt resist .

jesh · Oct 04, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by kazjun

Sure you can weapon swap, but can you really be bothered to do that in pve? I mean, swapping for +15 en gear after each time you hit with it?

.. Last time I checked, it's the other way around. You hide your energy with different equipment when you use your energy consuming skill, (rebirth, destructive chop), and switch back to normal equipment after the fact. This way you get extra, usable energy when you're done, instead of being down 1 pip.

The only time I use a +15 -1 weapon is if it's an emergency and can save my team. Switch after.

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Originally Posted by Zui

This is PvE. There is no weapon swapping in PvE, no matter how much sense it makes. Autoattack and/or spam keys 1-8 FTW.

That was so funny it made me laugh in a public place. Sadly, I think it's true for most people, and it's also why the pvp crowd tends to look down on whoever plays pve.. I mean they *must* be stupid, right? Why swap weapons when you're getting energy surged, if you can just yell at the monk to heal? *sigh*

The Real Roy Keane · Oct 05, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Why did I look at this thread again? My head hurts now.

LightningHell · Oct 05, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Franco

IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY EVISCERATE IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY EXECUTIONER STRIKE IWAY IWAY IWAY IWAY REZIGN REZIGN REZIGN

LOL sorry I couldnt resist .

Eviscerate is an Elite...I can bring something else as an Elite as a Sword? Empathic, or Expel, or...well...

But Evis is great if you want to have a damage Elite.

Focus swapping:

Set one: Positive energy set.

Set two: Normal energy set.

Set three: Negative energy set.

Usually on: Negative energy set. Casting: Negative or Normal.

Emergencies: Positive energy set.

The Real Roy Keane · Oct 05, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Having two sets of weapons and swapping to each when different situations occur.

That sounds like caster weapon swapping to me.. a Warrior weapon set generally consists of a Vampiric, Zealous and Elemental Weapon, with a bow or wand for long ranged adrenaline building.

LightningHell · Oct 05, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

That sounds like caster weapon swapping to me.. a Warrior weapon set generally consists of a Vampiric, Zealous and Elemental Weapon, with a bow or wand for long ranged adrenaline building.

I * am * a caster, but I generally carry over some characteristics of being a caster when I'm a warrior. Stupid, I know, but helps somewhat when I (for some reason) get edeny'd, need to use Purge Sig, or need to Rebirth after wipe in PvE.

Set 1: Vampiric, 15>50
Set 2: Zealous, 15>50
Set 3: Elemental, 15>50
Set 4: Vampiric, -5e

Inventory:
Zealous, -5e
Elemental, -5e
Vampiric, +5e
Zealous, +5e
Elemental, +5e

Of course, whether you have time enough to get to the sets in the inventory is another thing...though I generally figure out which sets I need to use after a minute or two, but then sometimes I don't get the time to change the weapon sets, even. Try to die in the negative energy set.

kazjun · Oct 05, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Maybe you run things different, but I'd start with neg energy gear, like a +15% -5 en weapon and maybe a neg en focus. You hit destructive, lose all en and then swap to a normal en or +en like the +15 en gear. But thats cause I run frenzy, after I hit the spike I need to be able to sprint or I'd die.
Can you imagine if the other team knows you have no en and are stuck in frenzy? One pip of en regen means nothing to me, I need the quicker en boost. Being stuck in frenzy while waiting for natural regen, you'd be dead before you got 5 en...
But if you're in pve you probably wouldn't have to worry about that in pve, since you really shouldn't be running frenzy in pve too much. You could also just use a +12 en focus as well and still have 2 pips regen

LightningHell · Oct 05, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by kazjun

Maybe you run things different, but I'd start with neg energy gear, like a +15% -5 en weapon and maybe a neg en focus. You hit destructive, lose all en and then swap to a normal en or +en like the +15 en gear. But thats cause I run frenzy, after I hit the spike I need to be able to sprint or I'd die.
Can you imagine if the other team knows you have no en and are stuck in frenzy? One pip of en regen means nothing to me, I need the quicker en boost. Being stuck in frenzy while waiting for natural regen, you'd be dead before you got 5 en...
But if you're in pve you probably wouldn't have to worry about that in pve, since you really shouldn't be running frenzy in pve too much. You could also just use a +12 en focus as well and still have 2 pips regen

Exactly.

Nexus Icon · Oct 15, 2006, 08:03 AM // 08:03

In general, it depends on what you're doing.
People seem to forget that a lot of PvE mobs aren't fleshy, and so don't bleed. That means that you have no way of applying a deep wound to these mobs with purely sword skills, so axe is better when facing these types.

In other words, know your missions and the mobs therein, then pick a weapon based on that knowledge.

Katari · Oct 15, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Yup, when I know most of the foes can be knocked down, I go hammer, if enough can't be knocked down, but can still bleed, I go with sword, if not that, then axe it is.

Beomagi · Oct 23, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

using the critical hit table from
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Critical_hit

at level 9 crit% = 13% (using approximated linear progression)
axe - 6-28
average = (28+6)/2 * 0.87 + 28*0.13 = 18.43 dph
sword - 15-22
average = (15+22)/2 * 0.87 + 22*0.13 = 18.96 dph

aweful close for just level 9!

level 12 crit% = 17%
axe - 6-28
average = (28+6)/2 * 0.83 + 28*0.17 = 18.87 dph
sword - 15-22
average = (15+22)/2 * 0.83 + 22*0.17 = 19.01 dph

level 16 crit% = 22.3%
axe - 6-28
average = (28+6)/2 * 0.777 + 28*0.223 = 19.45 dph
sword - 15-22
average = (15+22)/2 * 0.777 + 22*0.223 = 19.28 dph

Now if your skills employ crit attacks - perhaps you're doing an a/w axe weilding phycho, at 16 crit strikes, with 12 axe, and +7% more from (what's the skill name?!?) you'll have a 40% chance to crit - at which point it would make a big enough difference and look like this :
axe - 6-28
average = (28+6)/2 * 0.6 + 28*0.4 = 21.4 dph
sword - 15-22
average = (15+22)/2 * 0.6 + 22*0.4 = 19.9 dph

of course, the difference is multiplied by armor, and what seems like a small difference can be increased when absorb comes into play.
e.g. difference between 18 and 20 damage is 10% less than the major, but against 100 armor with 5 absorb, that's 4 and 5 damage - 20% (and still weak

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cR4zY-n^ · Oct 23, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Chaos axe - best looking axe

Fellblade - best looking sword

Overall I am axe fan, but starting to play with sword and I REALLY like it, and fellblade is just very very nice looking.

Darkpower Alchemist · Oct 23, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Maybe I'm not getting the point of this thread? Are you looking to be pretty or to be an effective warrior?

If its the later, you can use either to great effect, but axe is for spike damage, and sword offers more steady damage.

If you want a damage build with sword, I can call some skills for you, but the swordsmanship must be 16 and strength minimum of 10.

Standing slash+silverwing slash+sun and moon slash+ Dragonslash= major sword damage.

But thats not a bar I would use in PvP, by any means, since it has no real defense.

Sun and Moon Slash, by far, is one of the premier sword skills, but elites make a swordsman, as does his defense, so study up.

LightningHell · Oct 24, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

Maybe I'm not getting the point of this thread? Are you looking to be pretty or to be an effective warrior?

If its the later, you can use either to great effect, but axe is for spike damage, and sword offers more steady damage.

If you want a damage build with sword, I can call some skills for you, but the swordsmanship must be 16 and strength minimum of 10.

Standing slash+silverwing slash+sun and moon slash+ Dragonslash= major sword damage.

But thats not a bar I would use in PvP, by any means, since it has no real defense.

Sun and Moon Slash, by far, is one of the premier sword skills, but elites make a swordsman, as does his defense, so study up.

Axes, as already said (I think), have a higher DPS when criticals are factored in.

A Sword warrior does not need his Elite. Usually it is used for utility purposes.

Age · Oct 24, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Sword is now the more popular weapon as to the runes sales.I would gather it is from Dragon Slash a worthy elite anyway Eviscrate is getting harder to get being an Prophecies only skill and being all the way in Hells Precipice.It seems that sword is it for now as axes were in Prophecies.