Curse

Grammar · Nov 05, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

[skill=big]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill]

This is a benchmark fire spell. Find a more effective spell with the power output. Searing Heat/Flames and the copies are the closest to it, but you can run from them,but not RI.

(bolded for emphasis)

Anyone else get the impression that this guy is thinking of Searing Heat "and the copies" (Teinai's Heat and Savannah Heat) instead of Searing Flames?

[skill=big]Searing Flames[/skill]

^^^ This is the skill we're talking about.

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 05, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

He said "RI" as in rodgorst's invocation. I think he likes it because it causes burning and damage at the same time.

ShaneOfMach · Nov 06, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

throw in energizing wind into that searing flames build

Should be used in prolonged fights, instead of quick spikes

XvArchonvX · Nov 06, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

throw in energizing wind into that searing flames build

Should be used in prolonged fights, instead of quick spikes

Why would you bring a spirit for energy management when it could screw up the rest of your team? You really shouldn't have energy problems when running Fire Attune and Glowing Gaze with a burning build. If you are running some modified build that still gives you energy trouble, then bring Glyph of Lesser Energy.

Grammar · Nov 06, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Why would you bring a spirit for energy management when it could screw up the rest of your team? You really shouldn't have energy problems when running Fire Attune and Glowing Gaze with a burning build. If you are running some modified build that still gives you energy trouble, then bring Glyph of Lesser Energy.

WFT.
The newly buffed Fire Attunement (returns 6e on Searing Flames, 2e on Glowing Glaze) + Glowing Glaze combine to do the trick very nicely here.
Glyph of Lesser Energy can also be used if you feel you need a little more help with energy, but I prefer to take Glyph of Elemental Power because it boosts your net energy gain for Glowing Glaze from 7 to 8 (under attunement), boosts the burning duration on Searing Flames from 7 to 8 (which allows you to squeeze in one more hit before you need to start the burning again), and boosts your damage by 14 for each hit.

Again, check out the build I posted on page 1 (gotta love Serpants Quickness

).

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 07, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/E/Me_Firewall

Here it is!. Take a look at the second build, I think it would work very nicely in missions and long duration fights. It over comes the energizing wind problem with quickening zephyr, and the way to over come the long recharge of quickening zephyr is to have 2 eles with the same build bring them and they take turns setting the spirits up. By alternating, you can always have pretty consistant spamability. It doesnt really affect the other casters because they will have faster recharged spells. It does save both sides time and energy, but unless they are using a SF build, I dont think they are going to out damage you.

XvArchonvX · Nov 08, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/E/Me_Firewall

Here it is!. Take a look at the second build, I think it would work very nicely in missions and long duration fights. It over comes the energizing wind problem with quickening zephyr, and the way to over come the long recharge of quickening zephyr is to have 2 eles with the same build bring them and they take turns setting the spirits up. By alternating, you can always have pretty consistant spamability. It doesnt really affect the other casters because they will have faster recharged spells. It does save both sides time and energy, but unless they are using a SF build, I dont think they are going to out damage you.

I really wouldn't reccomend that second build for PvE. While the EW/QZ combo would help eles who are spamming high energy skills, it would really hurt monks since they tend to use mostly 5 energy skills and would thus not be helped by EW that only lowers cost to a min of 10 energy.

Personally I don't see where energy problems come into play with the first build if used correctly. I've been trying it out for a while lately and the only times I ran into trouble were when I forgot to recast my attunement (or had it stripped because I forgot to recast Aura or Rest as a cover for it) or when I either didn't use Glyph of Lesser E as often as I should or used it when Serpent's Quickness wasn't active and thus suffered a longer recharge for it. When I did use the build as intended, I really experienced no problems with energy.

Dazzler · Nov 08, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I just capped Searing Flames and was going to try this build tonight in PvE:

[skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Liquid Flame[/skill][skill]Glyph of Elemental Power[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Meteor Shower[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Fire: 12 + 3 + 1
Energy Storage: 12 + 1

With an 18 fire, Glowing Gaze will net you 6 + 2 = 8 E per casting.
Liquid Flame is used during the down-time between castings of Searing Flame and to provide a bigger initial spike.

Casting would be something like (running total energy balance is in parenthesis, running total damage in [])
Glyph of Elemental Power

(once combat starts)
0. Searing Flames (-8.777 e) [0]
1. Glowing Gaze (0) [59 +14(burning)]
2. Glyph of Lesser Energy (-3.667) [59 + 28(burning)]
3. Searing Flames (-2.334) [192 + 42(burning)]
4. Liquid Flame (-1) [325 + 56(burning)]
5. Glyph of Elemental Power (you have 1s downtime waiting for skills to recharge) (-4.667) [325 + 70(burning)]
6. Searing Flames (-13.337) [458 + 84(burning)]
7. Glowing Gaze (-4) [517 + 98(burning)]
etc

After these 8 seconds you are only down 4 energy from your top level. And you have done 517 direct dmg + 112 burning damage. (399 + 112 burning done in AOE dmg (assuming Liquid Flame AOE triggers which it usually does).

So against a single target, that is 78.625 damage/second! Pretty cool. I'll see how well it works in practice.

Note: Meteor Shower is just in there for its utility in certain PvE situations.

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 09, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

I really wouldn't reccomend that second build for PvE. While the EW/QZ combo would help eles who are spamming high energy skills, it would really hurt monks since they tend to use mostly 5 energy skills and would thus not be helped by EW that only lowers cost to a min of 10 energy.

Personally I don't see where energy problems come into play with the first build if used correctly. I've been trying it out for a while lately and the only times I ran into trouble were when I forgot to recast my attunement (or had it stripped because I forgot to recast Aura or Rest as a cover for it) or when I either didn't use Glyph of Lesser E as often as I should or used it when Serpent's Quickness wasn't active and thus suffered a longer recharge for it. When I did use the build as intended, I really experienced no problems with energy.

I put in EW not really for energy management but to compensate for the increase of energy cost of Quickening zephyr. "Skills that originally cost 5 energy continue to cost 5 energy. The "minimum cost 10 energy" only applies to skills above 10 energy that would be reduced below this limit. "
This means other proffesions can only benifit from EW. The second build is to further increase the recharge speed of SF.

Commander Ryker · Nov 28, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

All of these builds look interesting but tell me, how well would they work with the ele hero's?

XvArchonvX · Nov 28, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

All of these builds look interesting but tell me, how well would they work with the ele hero's?

Heroes tend to screw up the order of use, so they are quite inneficient, but they still use it well enough to make it worth using on them.

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

I put in EW not really for energy management but to compensate for the increase of energy cost of Quickening zephyr. "Skills that originally cost 5 energy continue to cost 5 energy. The "minimum cost 10 energy" only applies to skills above 10 energy that would be reduced below this limit. "
This means other proffesions can only benifit from EW. The second build is to further increase the recharge speed of SF.

yea, I failed to see that in the notes at wiki. I still don't see what would justify bringing this when Glyph of Lesser E should really be all you need (with fire attune of course).

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 29, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I guess that works too...ok more changes then. And how do you change the name of a page? I want to name it firebat, if thats ok with the community of searing flamers. Reminds me of the Terran Firebats.

Evilsod · Nov 29, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

I fail to see how Mark of Rodgort is a bad idea in a SF build. Rodgorts Invocation is a 3 second cast for 25 energy. Anyone whos anyone could interrupt that in PvP and unless your going for pure nukage w/ Meteor Shower its not much use in PvE either.

Mark of Rodgort should really be making them burn for 4 seconds more everytime SF hits... as oppose to stopping burning after 7 seconds and needing another wave to restart the burning. Unless i'm reading this the wrong way.

Mr Pvper · Nov 29, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

if i were to use a searing flames build, kinetic armor>natural stride since SQ is a stance that greatly affects the dmg effects of searing flames, so u dont need liquid flame, u need steam for the defensive purposes. Kinetic armor can be renewed with aura of restoration whenever, and u only need 7~9 earth magic to make it so the dmg against u is reduced 1/2-2/3s on normal phy and ele spells/atks. 5water magic provides a 7second blindness for steam, to counter sin combos. Glyph of lesser energy prodives energy needed after executing searing flames rapidly from SQ to spike, managing ur energy better. i use this for ra and it works great, can kill the entire team if i had too

n had the idea of SQ way b4 this thing was posted>_>

pingu666 · Nov 29, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

fireball would be a nice "filler" skill to slip in

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 29, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

I guess that works too...ok more changes then. And how do you change the name of a page? I want to name it firebat, if thats ok with the community of searing flamers. Reminds me of the Terran Firebats.

Wait now I remember why its EW not GoLE, because EW will reduce SF by 9 energy everytime you use it because QZ increases it to 19. 15 x .3=4.5 rounded to 4. GoLE has the equivalent power if casting 3 SF. You can cast a lot more than 3 SF in the 30+ seconds that QZ is up. Then your partner sets his down.

kess · Nov 29, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Do you guys know that if an opponent is hex with mark of rodgort, and you cast glowing gaze, you will gain 10 nrg(provided fire @ 16) even the foe is not on fire?

MoR-GG-SF-SF-GG-> ftw

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 29, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I think Mark takes effect first before the Gaze's so gaze's damage will trigger Mark, then burning triggers the energy.

Francis Crawford · Nov 29, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by kess

Do you guys know that if an opponent is hex with mark of rodgort, and you cast glowing gaze, you will gain 10 nrg(provided fire @ 16) even the foe is not on fire?

MoR-GG-SF-SF-GG-> ftw

Ooh. I didn't know that.

But what happens when Searing Flames hits an enemy hexed with Mark of Rodgort who wasn't previously on fire? I would think the hex is irrelevant at that point, and the enemy would just take Searing Flames burning.

Also -- what happens when an enemy who IS on fire and is hexed with Mark of Rodgort gets hit by further fire damage?

Symbol · Nov 30, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I've changed my mind about mark's usefulness. The fact that GG will trigger burning and then give you the extra energy make it worthwhile. Considering you also get constant burning and the full 119 damage from each SF trigger is icing on the cake (it actually buffs your damage quite a bit). So to whoever suggested adding it first, you were correct. Good call.

MoR definitely makes my shortlist of fire skills that are useful in a SF build (the others being liquid flame and maybe meteor shower depending on whether you can fit GoS).

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But what happens when Searing Flames hits an enemy hexed with Mark of Rodgort who wasn't previously on fire? I would think the hex is irrelevant at that point, and the enemy would just take Searing Flames burning.

Yeah SF just starts the burn-but the opponent should be constantly burning anyway.