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Haggard · Nov 20, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I openly admit that I farm like this, and why shouldn't I? How in any way is it immoral? Even the suggestion that this is an exploit never entered my mind, and the fact it can be considered as such is insane.

Rofl_Pwnt · Nov 20, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by andrewf

That's not solo =/

I find it pathetic that people uses henchies to ease their job of killing the boss and claim that they're soloing =/

I dont see the problem. I mean technically they Are soloing the boss, They just dont want to spend extra time killing the mob that could easily kill you, So i dont under stand, They are soloing the boss..isnt that the goal?

Triamn · Nov 20, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

If you dont like the build, dont use it. I am going to use it. The rest of you can troll farm or whatever outdated farming it is that you do. I plan on getting new NF greens with this build. Thank you for posting this.

sage tank · Nov 20, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

lol, you have no idea how hard it is to even get to the boss in realm of torment do u. Check out that nice spear from Shrieker of Dead in guildwiki, seem simple right? 2 step away from gate of pain all you need is to kill the mob. Trust me, anyone can fight their way through20 rain of terro crosspathing deserve, i repeat, deserve to get a green at the cost of stealing it from henchie. I still have not succeeded, i tried warding, incoming shit deep freeze spike from 10 guy wipe out my hero/hench party in 5 second.

tballz · Nov 20, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I've gotten that spear , lemme just say take your time because if you get any dp on any of your henchies/heroes it makes it almost impossible to continue and...mantra of frost on all your heroes. I used dunkoro and 2 searing flames ele's(zhed and sousuke).

After everythings dead minus shrieker of course I just use this stupid axe build to kill him. Lower his health to half with your henchies/heroes to make it even easier. Then just flail away and hopefully try to disrupt his leaders comfort , but he'll die eventually even if you dont.

disrupt chop,critical shop,eviscerate,axe twist,flail,dolyak,healing sig and sprint.

Riken Chrono · Nov 20, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

ak347 has done a very nice job with this, hes soloing the boss with himself not henchies. He's just using henches to kill the mobs around it but hes still killing the boss himself so its still solo.

Deacon Roswell · Nov 21, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by ak347

Oh, and narutoscryed, you yourself seem to be exploiting features in the game. Your use of shield of absorption in conjunction with protective spirit on a 135 hp monk doesn't actually make sense. SoA reduces damage by 5 but prot spirit means you take 13-14 dmg per hit. Oversight in programming much?
A direct quote from your thread: "now you would think that with 135 hp you would take more than 5 damage. because if you take 10% outa 135.. its more than 10.. thus you would be taking at least 5 damage per hit... but with prot spirit and shield of absorbtion on you will never take any damage at all.. take it as you will.. i just call it an oprotunity."
You call down on me about exploiting bugs and disobeying the eula?

Now that's just ironic. Narutoscryed exploits skills and programming oversights and he calls it "an opportunity" but has the nerve to talk down on others that do it. Can you say hypocrit? I concur!

Narutoscryed - get off your high horse....you're using the same tactics.

Narutoscryed · Nov 21, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Deacon Roswell

Now that's just ironic. Narutoscryed exploits skills and programming oversights and he calls it "an opportunity" but has the nerve to talk down on others that do it. Can you say hypocrit? I concur!

Narutoscryed - get off your high horse....you're using the same tactics.

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Oh, and narutoscryed, you yourself seem to be exploiting features in the game. Your use of shield of absorption in conjunction with protective spirit on a 135 hp monk doesn't actually make sense. SoA reduces damage by 5 but prot spirit means you take 13-14 dmg per hit. Oversight in programming much?
A direct quote from your thread: "now you would think that with 135 hp you would take more than 5 damage. because if you take 10% outa 135.. its more than 10.. thus you would be taking at least 5 damage per hit... but with prot spirit and shield of absorbtion on you will never take any damage at all.. take it as you will.. i just call it an oprotunity."
You call down on me about exploiting bugs and disobeying the eula?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shield_of_Absorption

go here and look under notes...

so with that said... Regardless of flames or whatnot.. i encourage you guys to stop using this tactic.. it is a bug... you are using that bug to your gain.. anet knows..

Look at it this way.. lets say you take a group of 8 real people out to farm. Do you think they are gonna run off and let you get the drop after they put in so much work just to get you to the boss? and helped you almost kill the boss?

They are going to want a chance at the green aswell for the help they gave.. and that is exactly what henchies do aswell..

i do not know why anet made heros and the flagging system. but i know for a fact that is was not for this.

i cannot garentee they will do somthing about it.. but please try to understand that you are risking being banned over cheap greens.

Look back at my posts.. and see that i have not said one thing to flame.. but i sure as hell have been strung up for my comments..

The Primeval King · Nov 21, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Guys.. It is only Greens. Greens are meant to be completely available to the public so that everyone can have the best equipment that their character needs. They are like collectors items, but instead of trading for them you fight for them. Gold items are still the creme de la creme, because they are the true rare items that are hard to farm since they are random. I think if Anet really didn't want us to farm greens, they would just nerf every skill. It's part of the game.

Narutoscryed · Nov 21, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

What you guys are calling solo is this..

5 guys come and beat someone to within an inch of his life, then some scrawny ass kid comes and kicks the dude in the face to kill him.. the the kid sends the big ass bouncers off to each cheesypoofs or somthing while he takes the dudes wallett...

By your definition that kid killed the dude by himself and totally earned that wallett

pinoy474 · Nov 21, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

^This is what I am sick of^

Someone spends his time to share a great way to further their "status, wealth, game, etc." or whatever you would like to call it, and some guy just comes along to flame him and put him down for doing so.

This guy had every right to not share this organized piece of information, but he did. And I believe he deserves praise, not some bickering little child.

Orb Of Divinity · Nov 21, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

so with that said... Regardless of flames or whatnot.. i encourage you guys to stop using this tactic.. it is a bug... you are using that bug to your gain.. anet knows..

Look at it this way.. lets say you take a group of 8 real people out to farm. Do you think they are gonna run off and let you get the drop after they put in so much work just to get you to the boss? and helped you almost kill the boss?

They are going to want a chance at the green aswell for the help they gave.. and that is exactly what henchies do aswell..

dude the henchies don't care about this as much as you do did you ask yourself why? i think you played this game too much xD

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

i do not know why anet made heros and the flagging system. but i know for a fact that is was not for this.

i don't really see what can you do with the flagging system other then this

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

i cannot garentee they will do somthing about it.. but please try to understand that you are risking being banned over cheap greens.

can you please tell us where did you get this information?

Shadow · Nov 21, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Greens are greens. As long as you get the drop with the tools you were provided who cares? If it was a problem, don't you think Anet would have addressed it before the tripple green weekend if not sooner? I don't think they're that ignorant; at least, I hope not. I don't get what the big deal is.

Tookis Elite · Nov 21, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

look get off the guys ass hes right and ur wrong

as a warning to people who just entered this thread

and to the people baggin on nurato calling him wrong (which he isnt btw)

ty come again

Narutoscryed · Nov 21, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

wow.. i cannot belive that no one shares my views about this..

I have been called a child.. an idiot.. silly and whatever else.... and yet i have not called anyone any names at all. all i have done is use dictonary references and an anology that to me exactly represents what is going on with this build.. and still im the one that gets flamed for suposedly flaming.. i really dont understand it...

i gave you guys a fair warning of the actions that anet may take. and you guys just hate on me for it.. ask for proof?.. i said i dont know if they will.. but they have been known to...

The points i have made are this:

this is not solo farming

this is a expliot

this is wrong

Those are the three points i have made...

And now i get called a child... no way.. you my friend are the child..

AND BELIVE ME ANET WILL CHANGE IT SO THAT HENCHIES GET A SHARE OF DROPS NO MATTER WHAT..

that includes live,dead, or halfway accross the map.

then you can come flame me and tell me im wrong.

ak347 · Nov 21, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

The three points you have tried to make don't actually counter any of the points I have made in rebuttal:
1)I am soloing the boss - it doesnt matter if everything else is dead, Im the only one killing it. The henchies dont have feelings about the matter.

2)Exploit? I already made the point about other exploits: rock farming, SoA farming. The fact that you pointed to a wiki article doesnt make it right. The description doesnt match its ability. It shouldnt be cumulative because the wording states:
For 3...6 seconds, damage received by target ally is reduced by 5 each time that ally is hit while under the effects of this enchantment.
It does not say 5 more each time, or cumulative, or stacking or even alluding to this. This is just speculation from community. Ive tried out the SoA build and im pretty sure I dont get hit for 8 damage the first time. O, and if youre pointing to the builds listed down below. Just because someone adopted sliver armor or SOJ to your "bugged" build doesnt make it legit in your terms.

3) This is wrong isnt a point. Its an opinion. I can easily say all your points are wrong and we're back to square one.

Do you know why anet wont change this? Because it would allow people to sit back in parties and leech items and exp. It would allow people to power level other characters. As I said, how are they going to change it? You can only flag henchies within the boundaries of your minimap? What if you move? What if they try to move towards you to keep themselves on your minimap but there is impassable terrain between you and them? AI isn't notoriously smart for avoiding impassable terrain as they get bunched up and jitter about.

And Tookis, if pictures convey a thousand words, none of them further this debate whatsoever and just show that you can't come up with a legitimate argument.

Besides naruto, if you're so vehement about us getting banned for flagging henchies, go email anet and see what they say. Or go bug gaile in a big post somewhere else. This isn't the forum for complaining about technicalities. This is how to farm greens from bosses with a high rate of success.

Don't cover up your feeble argument with accusations of us calling you names or stupid analogies of 5 guys picking on one. The entire pve experience is about you killing mobs that are intellectually inferior and weaker than you.

Edit: Want a final example of creative applications of flagging? Well people are using flagged henchies to farm lightbringer points beyond the level 7 that has been capped by anet. I'm pretty sure anet intended everyone to stop at level 7 since the priests don't give blessings past it. Yet people find ways to sit afk and gather lightbringer points. There is a huge post about it. Gaile commented on its ingenuity (search it if you want, its in regards to the elite mission). I'd say this is a major exploit, going beyond the boundaries enforced by anets programming. They are obviously aware of it. And what have they done? I haven't seen any bans or complaints of banning from that end of the forum.

When you can come up with an actual rebuttal of my points and not just "You're wrong" and "people call me names", then we can continue the argument. Otherwise, I'd rather have input from other farmers and their places to farm.

Sidra · Nov 21, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

I don't think of it so much as an exploit...

To whoever said flagging is only for this/flagging is useless whatever- it's used for keeping henchies/heores in a set position so they don't kite to hell, keep formation, and stay close to each other. Luring, trapping, and many other things are made easier with NPC's like this. Don't be so quick to diss it.

edit: ak347. I really don't give a crap about ethics or morality in the game, but what you're saying about my buddy Naruto here's "exploit" is completely and totally wrong. "Is reduced by 5 each time that ally is hit while under the effects of this enchantment." yeah, "reduced by 5 every time". It works as intended, and is not a glitch or an oversight in programming at all. Maybe it wasn't meant to stack against the already active protective spirit, but either way if you're getting hit by enough enemies, your dmg will get reduced to 0 before your 10-11 seconds is up.

Also, this would not allow people to leech or power level or anything. I seriously doubt that a group would continue or do anything when they have one player consistently hiding in the mini-map, or anything of the sort. Power leveling has nothing to do with this, either, because it was an aggro-bubble type exploit, and would not be effected at all if the nature of henchmen drop collecting were to be changed.

[DE] · Nov 21, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

It's not "soloing" but it is farming which is all anyone cares about. Though if anet does something about flagging henchmen I'm going to cry... (erm not really but I'll still be very mad). There are other useful things that flagging henchies can be useful for. Though I won't say what for the fear of anet nerfage.

edit: and if you know what I'm talking about keep it to yourself...

ak347 · Nov 21, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Ethics and morality was the point narutoscryed started, not I.
As for mathematics of prot spirit + SoA: 135 health * 10% = 13.5
SoA reduces by 5, so 13.5-5 = 8.5 damage.
What happens to this 8.5 damage? Naruto apparently thinks that it stacks. It does not otherwise the first hit would make you take 8.5 damage, the next 3.5, and then it would take 0 damage. Unfortunately, you take 0 damage every time (even at the beginning), AND the description makes no mention of cumulative damage reduction. The total of 5 seconds of calculations are enough to show that SoA + PS is not functioning correctly.
You make a valid point about the fact that nobody would allow it to continue. I suppose anet could allow drops to extend to the whole map. As I said, anet has every right to do this but so far they haven't touched it at all. I'm pretty sure they reduced the item and experience bubbles last year (autumn? don't remember too well) to prevent party leeching. Obviously they found it to be a problem then, so why would they reintroduce it now?

ganlinia · Nov 21, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

The points i have made are this:

this is not solo farming

this is a expliot

this is wrong

Those are the three points i have made...

First of all, I do respect Natutoscryed for the 135 hp build. I had lots of fun with your build after the major melee AI/SB update. Thx!!!

To me, this build is totally legit. I've done it in the preview event and through out the entire triple green weekend. Many greens were farmed "by myself", you don't call that solo? You can argue all day long about whether this is a "solo" act or not, i consider it's "solo" since only "one" human being is doing all the work...

Should hero/henchie get a fair shot on loots? NO!!! They've already taken share of the gold, exp, and countless "unannounced" items in the past. Not to mention that I was the one paying for all the runes, capping elites, buying/farming eq in order for them to work properly in battles. There's nothing wrong about doing the flag system trick to direct them to a remote, outa range, no-loot-for-ya spot. Works as intended!

If it's really an exploit as you might think, let Anet be the final judge!