Curse

Tobias Funke · Nov 10, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

This skill is a preparation that does +5-10 damage to foes suffering from a condition. My question is why would you EVER use this as your elite instead of glass arrows (does +5-13 damage no matter what and causes bleeding if blocked at the cost of it's recharge time being 30 seconds instead of 12)? Not only that, glass arrows lasts longer (it can go up to 30 seconds). Why didn't someone at ANet notice this when they made the skill?

XvArchonvX · Nov 10, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Yup, it's pretty worthless. The only possible advantage is that it can be used without a bow, just like Apply Poison, so it might fit into some wierd Dervish build or somethin.

Jeff Highwind · Nov 10, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

aNet needed filler for the Skill Capper line.

Dr Strangelove · Nov 10, 2006, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Yeah, the damage needs to be something like +15-30 so it's usable.

mathijn · Nov 10, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

maybe in a team?

aply poison+hunter shot+ seering flames ele's?
thats +30dmg each shot and big degen......
add, dual shot/forked arrow->savage shot and you have a pretty painfull combo

Sir Mad · Nov 10, 2006, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Famine was also nominated worst skill ever when Factions came out. A few months later 2 guys came with a famine build for UW.

Conclusion: don't flame a skill because one hasn't figured out how to use it yet

Munanko Roha · Nov 10, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Good point, but this one looks way too useless to be true!

SnipiousMax · Nov 10, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

It can be used with any weapon? It might be fun on a 1/2 sec attack melee spam build... but don't know that there are enough of those to make a build out of.

Evilsod · Nov 10, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

This is a useless elite indeed. What are the theories?
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?

Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.

Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.

What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.

The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.

As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.

Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.

Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.

Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there.

Corpselooter · Nov 10, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Most useless skill ever? Nah, try looking at archer's signet.

Lileth Hersprax · Nov 10, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

im thinkign if it works with any weapon that a R/W or W/R cyclone axe build with apply poison first to spread a condition may find a use for it.

Tobias Funke · Nov 10, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

But it's a preperation too. So you'd have to use apply poison (15 energy), do a couple cyclone axes (5 energy each), then use scavengers focus (10 energy) and a couple more cyclone axes. So basically you'd have a huge energy management problem and well as 4 seconds of casting time with the preps for a very indirect way of doing damage.

Sir Mad · Nov 11, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

This is a useless elite indeed. What are the theories?
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?

Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.

Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.

What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.

The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.

As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.

Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.

Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.

Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there.

Dont make as if I said since Famine was thought useless and is now considered as a great elite then SF is one as well. I simply said that it may have a use, not found yet 2 weeks after the release of NF. If you compare it to other bow preparation, yeah it's bad. But I notice three things when I check this skill:

1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.

So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description.

Milan-V · Nov 11, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias Funke

But it's a preperation too. So you'd have to use apply poison (15 energy), do a couple cyclone axes (5 energy each), then use scavengers focus (10 energy) and a couple more cyclone axes. So basically you'd have a huge energy management problem and well as 4 seconds of casting time with the preps for a very indirect way of doing damage.

Zealous would be an option for that issue. If I take a mob of 8 creatures you would get +8 energy, spam it a little and you'll have no probs technically.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 11, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

This is skill is not for a ranger, but definately made for a second proffesion.

jedi mad hatter · Nov 12, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

What profession is going to give up a primary elite for this secondary one, though? At the very least, it does need more damage.

Evilsod · Nov 13, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Mad

Dont make as if I said since Famine was thought useless and is now considered as a great elite then SF is one as well. I simply said that it may have a use, not found yet 2 weeks after the release of NF. If you compare it to other bow preparation, yeah it's bad. But I notice three things when I check this skill:

1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.

So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description.

Yeah i just noticed its a WS skill, sure it was a BM skill during the Nightfall preview.

I can't see this been useful even with a secondary...

Sir Mad · Nov 13, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

^ Well I just said that not to be ridiculous if someone comes with a decent x/R scavenger's focus build actually

But again, don't ask me for one, for I haven't found any, I just think it's possible, maybe, dunno...

Cirian · Nov 14, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

A/R with Black Spider -> Twisting Fangs (whatever) could throw this prep on and get results from it, maybe add Black Lotus -> Death Blossom as a second chain and add in Bestial Fury just for kicks too.

I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep.

XvArchonvX · Nov 14, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirian

A/R with Black Spider -> Twisting Fangs (whatever) could throw this prep on and get results from it, maybe add Black Lotus -> Death Blossom as a second chain and add in Bestial Fury just for kicks too.

I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep.

Since Scavenger's is a WS skill, you would be stretching pretty thin to use Bestial Fury.