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SnipiousMax · Aug 10, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

^^That one is kinda a goofy one.

He explains that in this thread here.

Dawns Tide · Aug 12, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by ubermancer

I am always amused by people who say that W/E's are bad. Or that the only use they have for their secondary is Shock and Gale for PvP and Armor of Earth for PvE, etc. Luckily...

...I know better. Glyph of Essence is what Id call a bit overpowered. I love skills like that, especially when they look so innocent and have a cute drawback like 'lose all energy'. This skill is awesome, you can precast the glyph, do an attack skill spike, then instantly throw off a powerful spell in <1/4 sec, casting time despite.

Theres a specific reason I said attack skill spike, and thats because of a mechanic thats been nerfed once before but still going strong in this regard. It used to be that Ranger interupts had no aftercast, so they could fire off four 1/4 sec cast interupts in one second... preceed that by a Dual Shot and its no wonder RSpike caught on so fast. They now have a standard 3/4 sec aftercast, same as most spells.

Now, when I think spiking with attack skills I think of Hammer warriors. Hammer Warriors can KD a target for 3 seconds, and get in 2 attack skills (assuming an IAS like Frenzy) before they get back up. Now, unfortunately its difficult to chain adrenal skills as quickly as energy skills because after each one you have to wait for the server to inform the client that the attack hit and you got the adrenalin before the client can tell the server to use another adrenalin skill. Its easiest instead to use an adrenalin, energy, then adrenalin again. Thats why I came up with this chain:

Glyph of Essence + Frenzy + Devastating Hammer + Crushing Blow + Fierce Blow + Phoenix

Its a bit energy intensive so you will have to wait a bit after using Glyph of Essence before you open up the rest of the chain. If you use those skills in proper succession, you will hit your target with Fierce Blow (+42 dmg) and Phoenix (166dmg) simultaneously, and while your target is STILL ON THE GROUND. Keep in mind the attack prior dealt +21 damage and inflicted Deep Wound.

I recommend a Zealous weapon to help you regen your energy. Theres all sorts of other tricks I use with this build to keep my enemies guessing, but youll have to play against me in RA/TA/AB/FA before you get those out of me.

And in case your wondering, the 635dmg I boasted in the title is possible vs a 60 AL target. Base weapon damage is 83 damage on a crit, 102 when Sundering procs on a crit. Add the 100 damage from Deep Wound, 166 from Phoenix, the combined 63 damage from attack skills... and you get an impressive 635 damage. Its much more likely youll average 40 or so points less per hit, so thats roughly 500. Respectable by anyone's measure.

Thoughts, improvements, innovations, complaints, etc?

You just gave me an idea for a double rip-gash-IWIN sword build.

Reiden Argrock · Aug 12, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Awesome post man, i've been working on a hammer build but wasn't sure how far you could go with it. Have you tried tiger stance in place of frenzy? And does the Zealous really help? I would think even with frenzy, hammer would be to slow to have any plus from zealous

elektra_lucia · Aug 12, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

If it's designed for PVP, what happens when you get knocked down, owned while frenzied? o.o.

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About monks defense against this I think they have no defense unless they have placed PS on themselves before you knock them down. The real class that has deffense against it is the ranger....and block/miss/evade and you wasted a lot.

Gaurdian...

Or an ele can just blinding flash, lol.

LuckyGiant · Aug 13, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by ubermancer

Its a bit energy intensive so you will have to wait a bit after using Glyph of Essence before you open up the rest of the chain. If you use those skills in proper succession, you will hit your target with Fierce Blow (+42 dmg) and Phoenix (166dmg) simultaneously, and while your target is STILL ON THE GROUND.

I noticed theres been a few comments about doing this all within one sec while target is knocked down? I'm assuming you're not using the stonefist gloves so the target is on the ground for 2 secs because this would avoid the possible dodging of pheonix that was mentioned

ubermancer · Aug 13, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by LuckyGiant

I noticed theres been a few comments about doing this all within one sec while target is knocked down? I'm assuming you're not using the stonefist gloves so the target is on the ground for 2 secs because this would avoid the possible dodging of pheonix that was mentioned

KD is for 2 seconds, stonefist extends this to 3.

El Cerouni · Aug 20, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Hmm...
<--- Has a Complaint

A combo considered to be sub par:
Frenzy-> Devastating -> Crushing -> Fierce -> Aftershock

And yet, it's 1 Skill Slot less, some energy saving, and only 25 less damage...

ubermancer · Aug 20, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by El Cerouni

Hmm...
<--- Has a Complaint

A combo considered to be sub par:
Frenzy-> Devastating -> Crushing -> Fierce -> Aftershock

And yet, it's 1 Skill Slot less, some energy saving, and only 25 less damage...

Hammer attack speed is 7/4 second base, IAS drops this to 7/6. After Fierce is completed you have spent 2.33 seconds, leaving you only .66 seconds to cast Aftershock - insufficient time. You would have to use Backbreaker, and likely not Fierce, as well.

Xpl0iter · Sep 20, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

i have been using something very similar to the one u got, but with the air line, i have my reasons though, i prefer some skills which work very well in a team combination. But thats just me, awesome job uber.

beltran13579 · Sep 21, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

does anyone use Glyph of Essence+Rebirth

A Leprechaun · Sep 21, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

i like holy+soulstone strike...........

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 22, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

W/E's don't fight rangers unless there are not casters left...

Then again, Rangers resist ele damage better than regular warriors so Rangers are a W/E's 'last' typical target...

at that point, who cares?

I used to have a 'paladin' hammer warrior using standard combo:

Devastating Hammer, Crushing Blow, normal hit, Hammer Bash, Holy Strike [all under frenzy]

That was about 60% hp removed with the last bit being Armor ignoring damage [which is the weakness to Phoenix, if foe is wearing an armor booster skill/gear of some sort]

But hey, you're doing it in less time, which is always good.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 22, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by beltran13579

does anyone use Glyph of Essence+Rebirth

glyph of sacrifice and rez chant is way more fun.

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 22, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Wouldn't rebirth scream efficiency since you lose all energy anyway?

Ken Masters · Sep 23, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I just might try this sometime.

ubermancer · Sep 23, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Wouldn't rebirth scream efficiency since you lose all energy anyway?

Or... Glyph of Sacrifice and Rez Chant and dont loose any energy?

Spydergst1 · Sep 25, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Why not use two glyphs? Use glyph of energy and put flame burst or inferno in the skill bar. Then you can hit two +100 fire damage skills while your opponent in on the ground

ubermancer · Sep 25, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Spydergst1

Why not use two glyphs? Use glyph of energy and put flame burst or inferno in the skill bar. Then you can hit two +100 fire damage skills while your opponent in on the ground

Because of the casting time?