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Tartagan · Sep 29, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

I want to trie panic in RA but I can t come with a good build, I tried with some signets (weariness and humility with mantra of inscriptions) to do something will the energy rechargiing but it isn't really effective.

Does anyone have some experience with it ?

stocker25 · Sep 29, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I havent used it myself but i can tell you as a monk who has had to face it in RA that it is a nasty thing to face. In the version i faced the only other skill i can remember was Ether Lord. The one that gives u 3 energy regen and them -3 but u lose all energy.

Tartagan · Sep 29, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Well it s a start

Anyone else used it ?

HolyHawk · Sep 29, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

I tried with auspicious encantation, worked well in everything but monks; was using shackle/wrack with it. Problem is that you need to make yourself not the priority target and wait some until you get control of enemy energy. On the other hand, didn't even scratch prot booners, and was hard to deal with blight.

Tartagan · Sep 29, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by HolyHawk

I tried with auspicious encantation, worked well in everything but monks; was using shackle/wrack with it. Problem is that you need to make yourself not the priority target and wait some until you get control of enemy energy. On the other hand, didn't even scratch prot booners, and was hard to deal with blight.

For blight signet of humility is quite effective with mantra of inscriptions.

Shackle and wrack are a good good option for a panic build I ll try it ...
Anyway how did you manage to survive and how did you manage your energy ?

TeeGee · Sep 29, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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On the other hand, didn't even scratch prot booners, and was hard to deal with blight.

Erm... then what's the purpose of using it?

Panic is not very good skill and the only reason to use it is it's AoE. And AoE in RA is no big deal. Panic can be used in HA in some specific builds but in RA it's just worse than usual.

No point in making RA build out of it, really.

Hella Good · Sep 29, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I've used Panic in RA but TeeGee is right it's more of a HA/GvG skill. You normally use it with another AoE hex like that, so that it goes under it. A good example will be Panic + Suffering. Or if you don't mind recasting it Glyph of Lesser Energy + Panic works very well, too. If you want to use a similar skill in RA, use Wither. Often times Panic is good in combination with Sig of Weariness- Panic gives pressure on the energy and a dual Sig of Weariness strips a chunk. There is a very risky way to use Panic with Ether Lord- you basically run your nrg to 0 and then EL (make sure you got the +/-3 EL) and then follow EL with another nrg management skill like Tap. But again HA is really your best bet for this skill, and to some extent GvG. You might wanna try it in AB, probably could work well. In RA/TA Wither is a better option.

Tartagan · Sep 29, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Thank for the reply hella good.

Anyway it's more for the fun of it if I want use panic, I ll try Me/N just for see if I can do something interesting (or atleast not too lame

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HolyHawk · Sep 30, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Aspicious encantation is how I managed energy. Only by using panic. You can use it to effectively shut down any melee fighter. Panic + shackles + failure + mind wrack, as long as you have another dmg dealer in your team. I just survive by kitting or making myself unnoticed by not doing direct dmg. Like people said, the skill is good, but at least in a 8x8 build; if you use it in ra, it's more like you are clever and are trying to manage a hard setup than that you are farming faction.

Hella Good · Sep 30, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

I love Panic, it's one of my fav elites. Tremendously underused skill that is actually extremely powerful. But there is many other such skills than are simply not in favor despite being fascinating. Unholy Feast comes to mind. Panic is very nrg intensive tho, altho I'm not sure if I'd use AI on it. I'd rather just GoLE it but often times I like taking N 2ndary to cover Panic up with Suffering and then I simply manage my nrg by using a combo of Sigs and nrg management skills. Sig of Humility works pretty well with Panic, too, I forgot to mention, if you use MoI, you can chain it and often times you can disable nrg management elites, resulting in more nrg pressure. But again, despite having done so myself, running Panic in RA isn't worthwhile.

gasmaskman · Sep 30, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

In RA/TA Wither is a better option.

Weapon swap?

Hella Good · Sep 30, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Yea, well, if you use a 25 nrg skill just to put a single target at -2 nrg degen, then probably you're being a bit wasteful... Wither at least costs 10 nrg and can be used as a health degen hex. It recharges fairly fast, too. I'm not saying it's a good skill, all I am saying is it's better than Panic in RA.

dgb · Sep 30, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

Yea, well, if you use a 25 nrg skill just to put a single target at -2 nrg degen, then probably you're being a bit wasteful... Wither at least costs 10 nrg and can be used as a health degen hex. It recharges fairly fast, too. I'm not saying it's a good skill, all I am saying is it's better than Panic in RA.

No it's not because any decent monk will focus it off, something you can't do with Panic.

Vermilion Okeanos · Sep 30, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

What I remember a bit of what I used to use...

me/n

high fast casting
decent domination
low curse
some inspiration

rend enchantment
backfire
panic
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ether feast
rez sig

I don't remember the whole build, as it was quite awhile ago. The purpose was to destroy RA boon prot. Rend enchant the booner and slap on the backfire within a short amount of time, this way he can't CoP his way out or put another enchant right back on immediately. Then the panic hit the table. For anyone not monk, just skip a few step. Pretty sure the rest were mostly inspiration to keep up energy and health, while I mainly use ether feast rest of the time to give them more energy trouble.

Not sure if I had shame or not, but I think there was an interrupt... but I am not sure, those are optional anyway.

Even an experienced monk wont expect this in RA. However, it is possible for them to get out of it alive if there are no warriors pounding away on them while you perform this. It will still be quite some sacrfise for them though.

Edit: I think I had malaise in there too...

Carth` · Sep 30, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

Hmm I tried something like that just now. I had this:

Rend Enchantments
Backfire
Panic
Ether Lord
Malaise

I killed a Boon Prot easily, and I killed a Blessed Light monk easily. I removed all enchants from the monk so he can't CoP, then Backfire to stop his casting, then I put on Panic and Ether Lord for energy degen, and sometimes Malaise. The monks did 1 of 2 things, cast through Backfire and died, or didn't/couldn't cast, and died from my allies hitting him.

But this doens't change the fact that the build sucked. I felt useless for my team, because out of the 6 RA battles I tried, only 2 had a monk. In the others I was useless. Panic didn't bother the warriors, they just used Healing Signet anyway, it heals for more than Panic hurts. I won't try it again, Panic just isn't very good elite to make a build around.

Hella Good · Sep 30, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Not really. Panic is a wonderful elite, but as we already said a couple of times, it is NOT an elite to use in RA/TA, where it's effectiveness is hugely reduced. On a single target Panic gives -2 nrg degen, which is 0.66 points of nrg denied per sec (or 2 points over 3s). This means a caster will only gain 0.66 points per s, versus the normal 1.33 points per s. On a single target this isn't much of a big deal. Over the 20s it takes E-surge to recharge, Panic will have denied a total of about 14 nrg. Clearly better than E-surge nrg denial wise but lets ignore this for the time being. Panic has a nearby AoE. Imagine the amount of nrg Panic denies on 4 targets versus one target. Now try 6.

Panic IS useful vs Warriors, Rangers, and Sins, because on W it literally stops the nrg gain and limits their nrg pool, allowing you to destroy it completely AND keep it at that. And W do use a lot of nrg skills, a lot of annoying nrg skills at that (think Irresistable Blow, for example). On R and Sins that don't have adrenaline, Panic will squeeze their nrg gain so much that after they've used a couple of skills they will be rendered useless.

Panic is an over time skill. It doesnt do BANG like Surge does, and that is the main reason it's not used. In truth Panic is much more effective in denying nrg than Surge is, granted it has the weakness of being a hex and therefore being removable. Panic and Sig of Weariness- just these 2 skills together can put a tremendous amount of nrg pressure on a team. And as for Panic not completely countering Heal Sig- I'd rather them heal for 20-30 than them healing for 120-130. Like I said, Panic goes under Suffering very lightly, adding health degen pressure.

And that's really it- Panic is a pressure skill that has it's best effect when it hits multiple targets and over time. It works in a pressure and hex heavy builds and it works very well. I think people need to think out of the box more.