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NatalieD · Nov 22, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Felbryn

So...is there any reason you would choose to use Live Vicariously instead of Vigorous Spirit? Certainly, I can see some advantages in being able to stack them, but the cost of keeping Vigorous Spirit on one target constantly is equivalent (on average) to one half a pip of energy, versus one pip lost in maintenance of Live Vicariously, and Vigorous Spirit seems to be more general, equivalently powerful, and less work to recast if it gets stripped.

I suppose there's something to be said for saving the casting time, but...double the maintenance cost seems a bit extreme.

Vigorous Spirit heals the target, Live Vicariously heals the caster. They have different purposes entirely. (Although Live Vicariously can pinch-hit as a self version of Vigorous Spirit, if you really want.)

Monkey Man · Nov 27, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50

i just bought it from the skill dude in lions arch, im possitive. good luck

Ollj · Nov 27, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

virgurous at 12 heraling, hehe , once again, the most ridiculous thing in GW are paladins that hink they can heal shit!

there are no adrenaline based healing skills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Rajamic

Ok, let's get the facts straight here.

We will assume 12 in healing for the comparison.

Healing Breeze gives +8 regen, which is 16 HP/sec.

Swords and axes have the fastest attack speed, at 1 attack every 1.33 seconds. I think that's right in line with the truly spammable spells, like Flare, but I'm not sure on that. Regardless, let's compare sword use over 4 seconds, which would be 3 attacks.

4 sec * 16 HP/sec = 64 HP for Healing Breeze.
3 attacks * 11 HP/attack = 33 HP for Vigorous Spirit.

Even with speed-boosting stances like Flurry or Tiger's Fury, you aren't going to make up that gap. And remember this is with the fastest of weapons; if the target is using a hammer or bow, it's going to be an even bigger gap.

Healing Breeze is a much faster heal, has half the recharge time, and it doesn't depend on the target doing anything. Vigorous Spirit lasts longer and is cheaper.

64 and 33*2 have a GAP???
fill the gap of higher energy cost and calculate healing per energy per time for once!!!!!!

also you HAVE to use 15-16 healing prayers to see how good virgurrous spirit is, so stop comparing the skills at 12 and try again at 16!

4 sec * 18 HP/sec = 72 HP for Healing Breeze.
3 attacks * 14 HP/attack = 42(*2) HP for Vigorous Spirit.

virgurous spirit won already but letzs go on...

Another pro for virgurous is that the enchantment lasts way longer for its energy cost, dwaynas kiss likes that, and its an enchantment that covers other enchantments from removing!

One more is that you CAN let your warrior out of your range for ~20 seconds without him diing!

you gotta LOVE 16 divine favor and 15 healing prayers with Aura of Faith
, virgurous spirit, dwaynas kiss, healing touch/healing seed, contemplation of purity, divine intervention, Watchful Spirit, Blessed Signet.
Virgurous then heals for 21 per hit with 2 long lasting spamable enchantments.
the other 5 energy skills heal for ~300 also.
you can bond to gain energy on demand but delete all your bonds anytime you wish to heal, too! (get all the above enchantments on self and do "contemplation of purity")
And its still good at 14 divine and 13 healing (no big runes)

your barrage ranger, hundred blades Warrior and even minions love this!

healing breeze sucks!

life vicariously....
if you cast virgurous spirit every 15 seconds on the same person you could also just maintain
life vicariously for the same cost, barely a big difference apart from who is healed.
If you cast virgurous spirit less often or on variable targets life vicariously is not for you.
If you like the Blessed Signet and not much divine favor, life vicariously is your choice.

tafy69 · Nov 28, 2005, 07:35 AM // 07:35

Silly question here but it says per attack, does the warrior need to hit the attack to get the benefit or just swing the weapon?

Basically if the warrior is blinded will this skill still work for him?

twicky_kid · Nov 28, 2005, 08:03 AM // 08:03

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Originally Posted by tafy69

Silly question here but it says per attack, does the warrior need to hit the attack to get the benefit or just swing the weapon?

Basically if the warrior is blinded will this skill still work for him?

yes it does

tafy69 · Nov 28, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

so using cyclone axe will trigger it even if you miss target (Blinded for example)

But say you hit 10 targets would it trigger 10 times or 1?

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 28, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

10times, for each attack you do, even if you dont hit. Referring to the post before. Reading the threads before might save you some questions

tafy69 · Nov 28, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

well its clear now for every1 to know, didnt think it would be for attack and every target hit too.. but it is and thats good

thx

xcutioner · Nov 28, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

vigorous spirit + dwaynas kiss

I always carry vigorous spirit and spam it like crazy. I use to buff someone being targeted, then followed with dwaynas kiss stacks on the healing.

I've used vigorous as a perfect cover enchant, low cost, quick recharge, fast casting. The bonus to dwaynas kiss is just a side benefit, but I abuse dwaynas kiss like crazy as well. I've seen dwaynas go as high as 231hp; target had healing seed, shield of judgement, vigorrous spirit, plus about a trillion hexes, and this is not even counting the divine favor bonus I get, which puts this heal at around 280hp healed for 5e. I combo this with word of healing and can handle most spike damages fairly well without my energy dropping out.

Fenix Swiftblade · Nov 28, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Barrage and Cyclone Axe only trigger Vigorous Spirit once. They trigger Live Vicariously each hit, but thats because LV is worded differently. Barrage and Cyclone axe are considered one attack each, but they both hit multiple times.

tafy69 · Nov 29, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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Originally Posted by Too Hot Fo You

10times, for each attack you do, even if you dont hit. Referring to the post before. Reading the threads before might save you some questions

Ah seems you flamed me for a good question after all

Grammar · Dec 08, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Fenix

Barrage and Cyclone Axe only trigger Vigorous Spirit once. They trigger Live Vicariously each hit, but thats because LV is worded differently. Barrage and Cyclone axe are considered one attack each, but they both hit multiple times.

Not true.

I tested this about a week ago with cyclone axe, and Vigorous Spirit does indeed trigger with each strike. If you hit 4 guys with cyclone axe, then you get four "+11"s flash up on your screen.
It also stacks with Live Vicariously. Hit those same four guys with both LV and VS up, and you'll see eight "+11"s flash up on your screen.
I kid you not this IS the case. I didn't think it would be so I tested it, and it turned out I was wrong (good thing too).

tafy69 · Dec 10, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Grammar

Not true.

I tested this about a week ago with cyclone axe, and Vigorous Spirit does indeed trigger with each strike. If you hit 4 guys with cyclone axe, then you get four "+11"s flash up on your screen.
It also stacks with Live Vicariously. Hit those same four guys with both LV and VS up, and you'll see eight "+11"s flash up on your screen.
I kid you not this IS the case. I didn't think it would be so I tested it, and it turned out I was wrong (good thing too).

Good to know, thx for testing it for us

Arcador · Dec 10, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

It is pretty cool self heal skill - cast it over allys and you give them a little boost for a time. It is support heal - don't expect to do wonders as healing word/other/party/area and so on. Example of good use is to cast it on poisoned warrior (if you don't have right now condition remover), he will heal the dps while hitting, thus you won't need attention to heal him for a while.

Very good use is to cast it on necro - since necro spells may sacrifice his life, this will give him a little boost.

sbslammer · Sep 20, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

just making sure, u can only get this from van the warrior in yaks if ur a primary monk? if monks ur secondary of have to buy it?

sbslammer · Sep 20, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

because i have an as/mo thats in yaks, and van wont give me the quest...
even though i had a tyrian w/mo that got it from him

Akuma · Sep 20, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

You can't get quests pre LA if you're canthan.

sbslammer · Sep 20, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

oo, thanks