Curse

Ravidel · Mar 30, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

So the idea is to be a good protector, and here's my implementation (I'll work out the attributes later, but assume high Protection Prayers and Divine Favor):

1. Shield of Deflection / Amity {Elite}
2. Guardian
3. Reversal of Fortune
4. Shielding Hands
5. Convert Hexes
6. Mend Condition
7. <secondary>
8. <secondary>

I'm not sure about #1. Anyone have arguments for or against SoD?

Guardian and RoF are spammable to protect my better enchantments (i.e., whichever I choose for my #1 slot), and hex/condition removal is useful.

I can't come up with a good secondary. Mesmers and Necros are typically offensive, Elementalists just have glyphs, and Rangers don't have a purpose as a Monk's secondary. Warriors have stances, but I'm looking for other alternatives.

-Rav

Nash · Mar 30, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Just to clarify, Amity is a hex and not enchantment so coverinng would only be done on Shield.

Secondary, I was thinking Mesmer, Sympathetic Visage, against Warrior trains, so when they focus your target their energy and adrenaline goes poof. Would probably be overkill with Amity, though.

Ranger can sure be used on a Monk, one such use is Draw Conditions/Melandru's Resilience for heaps of energy. Warriors have more than stances, they have shouts like "Watch Yourself!"; 20 bonus AL that can't be removed, and no cost, just use your wand 4 times. Elementalists have some self-buffs. Necros have things like Blood is Power (though it got hit with the nerf stick), and non-elite Warrior shutdown as an alternative to Amity.

Bgnome · Mar 30, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

take the necro for Rend Enchantments and perhaps something else..

walder · Mar 30, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Nash you got me thinking:

R/Mo

11 Healing
12 Wilderness (+1/+1)
10 Protection

Melandru's Resilience-E
Draw Conditions
Protective Spirit
Healing Seed
Orison of Healing
Healing Breeze
Reversal of Fortune
Purge Conditions

I'm not sure that Melandru's will give you enough energy but if it does, its a pretty standard healer. I threw in Purge Conditions in case you get more than you asked for after using Draw Conditions.

Bgnome · Mar 30, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

as a ranger primary, your healing will be sub par. your energy pool is smaller, you have less regen, and you do not get the divine favor bonus.

Nash · Mar 30, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Swap the Ranger and Monk around. The Monk primary will be much better.

walder · Mar 30, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Yea, the only reason I went R/Mo is because in my experiences as a Monk primary, I got targeted first and I spent a lot of time healing myself. I guess it would be better with Divine Favor and a decent team.

Edit*

Heres what I changed to make it Mo/R

Mo/R

Divine Favor 10 (+1)
Healing 12 (+1/+1)
Protection 8 (+1)
Wilderness 10

Melandru's Resilience-E
Draw Conditions
Purge Conditions
Orison of Healing
Healing Breeze
Signet of Devotion
Infuse Health
Heal Other

I made some changes by taking out most of the protection part of the build. I made it healing, just using the Protection line as a means of energy.

The original build would probably have Divine Favor at 8, Healing at 12, Protection at 10, and Wilderness at 10. Which do you think is a more efficient build if they are both Mo/R now?

Kha · Mar 31, 2005, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by walder

Yea, the only reason I went R/Mo is because in my experiences as a Monk primary, I got targeted first and I spent a lot of time healing myself. I guess it would be better with Divine Favor and a decent team.

It doesn't really matter your primary. Once the opposing team notices that you are the main healer or at least one of the healers, you will be a quick target. Usually if people don't go Monk primary for a healer, they are an E/Mo.

And not only does Divine Favor have a great passive bonus to it, it also has very useful skills linked to it.

Nash · Mar 31, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Less Protection. You're only using condition removal anyway, the important part is getting rid of conditions not the puny heals you get. Purge Conditions cooldown is brutal. Infuse Health is dangerous on a primary healer... Get Seed in.

fawgre · Mar 31, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

Since you're going the Protection route, why not go with the secondary Elementalist for the wards? You can take those two slots for two wards or a ward and Glyph of Lesser Energy or a freezing spell or something. Elementalists have a fairly good pool of options for Protectionists. [I could have also sworn there was something like Glyph of Gesture so you could still cast through silence, but now I can't find it. That would help you out in PvP if you're going up against an interupter and you don't want your healing output limited.]

Nash · Mar 31, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

There's no more Silence... Only Dazed. And then you have Glyph of Concentration. You must have taken a big break from GW if you didn't notice that, Silence was ages ago.

fawgre · Mar 31, 2005, 01:08 AM // 01:08

No, no break, I'm just not a good strategist, it seems. I never got past the first few missions in Post-Searing because I kept going to back to see if I would like this, or that better, or whatever, so I was relying mostly on relatively unstable information from various fansites to see what skills I should be on the look-out for if I ever got any higher. Thanks for the info, at least I won't rush into my first PvP battle paranoid about an imaginary skill that I couldn't find the counter to.

At least the argument for wards still stands, right?

Nash · Mar 31, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Sure.

I use GWOnline.net for skill info, mostly, and the bot in the IRC channel.

walder · Mar 31, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash

Purge Conditions cooldown is brutal. Infuse Health is dangerous on a primary healer...

The only reason I took Purge is because I couldn't find another condition removal that you can use for yourself. I won't be using it for teamates as much as I will be using it when I have too many conditions on me.

I was planning on using Infuse Health as a emergency heal when someone really needs it, but I think Divine Intervention is better for that anyway.

Soiled Egg Roll · Apr 01, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

You can use mend ailment on yourself. At least, last beta you could.

walder · Apr 01, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soiled Egg Roll

You can use mend ailment on yourself. At least, last beta you could.

Mend Ailment

Description Remove one "Condition" (Poison, Disease, Blindness, Dazed, Bleeding, Crippled, or Deep Wound) from target other ally. That ally is healed for 5-57 points for each remaining condition.
Energy Cost 5
Casting Time 3/4 second
Recharge Time 2 seconds
Skill Type Spell
Linked Attribute Protection Prayers

That skill description is from this site, so I'm assuming its correct. If you can cast this on yourself then I will definitely use this instead.