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Obsiedion · Sep 13, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Ok heres the scoop. I have a W/Ne. Sword warrior. I have Gladiators armor for the energy bonus. Please can someone help me, my build is rubbish, infact its not really a build at all.

I dont do alot of PVP most PVE. But now i am in the upper reaches of the game, its getting harder and i am looking really stupid as a LvL 20 W/Ne that keeps dying...

Please help someone!!

thanks

Obs

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 13, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

You're also looking really stupid by NOT posting what your stupid build is. If we know what the problem is, we can fix it.

What's more, what's your role? Dying? Tell us what it is you're trying to do instead of begging for a build. This is NOT a place to beg for them, but a place to augment.

I run W/N builds and post on them about 90% of the time. If you need help, I'd like to say I'm qualified to give it...

Or better yet, do a search on any post by myself containing w/n, you can't miss.

Obsiedion · Sep 13, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Firstly thanks...I will search for some of your builds. Secondly, I wasn't begging, I was saying "please help someone" not "I beg someone to help me" thirdly your arrogance is astounding, not least because you seemingly didn't read the part of my post where I said "infact its not really a build at all." I don't have any skill sets, I mix and match to suit what people ask me to bring. Lastly feel free to respond using some literary diatribe about me being a "n00b" and "wtf am I playing for?"

I was asking for help, which usually I get, and usually in a pleasant manner seems they don't teach politeness in your neck of the woods. But thanks for your help.

Obs

entropy · Sep 13, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

i'd have to disagree. Use some of your knowledge at least. Don't just say im sry i need a build. My build sucks and i run a W/N. COME ON. use your brain once in a while. Check out some skills to helo you. Think fo what a warriors purpose in pve is. W/N Unholy feast is great. how bout plague touch great skill to. Gladiators defence. Disiplined stance go look at some skills and just see what they do not say i need a good build way to many people do that. You have to learn and decide for yourslef
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And not begging "Pls Help Someone!!" is begging.

If at all what you are saying is not plite. Asking for help and when he says search you become all defensive and arrogant for that matter. Everything yukito said was fine. Post your build at least. asking for a good build cause yours was bad requires something to start it off.

Obsiedion · Sep 13, 2005, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Ok allow me to state again...it isnt a build at all, its a mish mash of all sorts, and what people ask me to bring along.

But to apease. *Well of blood, well of suffering, plague touch, i havent unlocked all the skills. and sometimes animate bone horror. for necro skills

as for war skills, endure pain, sever artery, seeking blade, sprint sometimes and maybe something like hamstring.

I dont really serve a purpose in the group, if we havent got a monk i try and HELP heal with *WOB or if we have a good monk then deal some damage i guess. I die quickly and i'm not sure why. some people say its the armor, although its droknors forge glad armor, i dont want to turn around and clichely blame the monk for me dying as it may be something i am doing. a skill i should/shouldnt be using runes i should/shouldnt have equiped. i dont want a step by step guide with a solution to this just suggestion as to how not to die so smegging quickly.

I have spoken to lots of people but they all use axes, i want to use a sword. i have read the skill descriptions and tried assembling what i think is best but to no avail.

perhaps i should have been clearer initially, but i am not a retard, ofcourse i have tried. tried and failed. Hence why i came here to ask advice. I have searched yukito and yes found some suggestions, but some of the skills i havent heard of, are they elites? did i miss something somewhere?

"pls help" is asking for help. not begging. i acted defensivly because a random person started calling someone he didnt know stupid. "cause and effect" Arrogance? please explain how i demonstrated this trait?

my stats are ATM

9 death
9 blood
10 tactics
10 swordsmanship
i believe base HP is about 340 i do have runes equiped. and weapons are usually a gold max dmg long sword and an aegis.

Lastly i dont want to p*** anyone off i am asking for help. so there you have it, can anyone help now?

Obs

Effigy · Sep 13, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Let me preface this by saying I don't play a W/N, in PvP or PvE, so this is all Theory Wars coming from me.

My first suggestion is to get a little more specialized. For a PvE Warrior, groups will generally expect you to tank. Not all Warriors are necessarily built as tanks, but that's the basic role in PvE and people will expect you to do it. In that respect, Tactics is a good choice. 10 is probably high enough, especially with a minor rune.

It's generally accepted that Warriors should have a 16 in their weapon attribute if possible (12+1+3), but if your goal is to simply hold aggro and not die, rather than dealing a ton of damage, you may not really need that high of a weapon attribute. From my understanding, the real benefit to raising it higher is better criticals and more damage from attack skills. On a pure tank, you'll probably be using a lot of your adrenaline for defensive stances and such, so attack skills take a backseat. Attributes also have diminishing returns after 12, so you might want to keep Sword at 10, wear a +1 Sword helm and use a minor rune, for a total of 12 Swordsmanship.

Sword is looked down on in PvP, but I think it's a good PvE choice since it has more Tactics-related skills. Looks fine to me.

The Necro skills/attributes are going to be the deciding factor. Taking two different lines is probably not the best idea, since you'll likely only be using a couple Necro skills anyway (you won't have the energy to be spamming them, as much of the Necro skillset has a high cost). Avoid minion skills; too expensive, and you basically already fill the role that they often do (tank, some damage). Wells may be useful, but I guess it depends on your energy management. I'd say look for 1-2 good Necro skills, focus on one of the Necro attribute lines, and go with that.

Your tanking ability also depends somewhat on your gear. I'd recommend getting Knight's boots (the damage reduction is universal and doesn't stack on more than one armor piece). Major/sup Absorption might be good too, but I'm not certain whether that stacks with the Knight's armor or not. Major/sup Vigor is another good idea.

Hope that helps a bit.

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 13, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by entropy

i'd have to disagree. Use some of your knowledge at least. Don't just say im sry i need a build. My build sucks and i run a W/N. COME ON. use your brain once in a while. Check out some skills to helo you. Think fo what a warriors purpose in pve is. W/N Unholy feast is great. how bout plague touch great skill to. Gladiators defence. Disiplined stance go look at some skills and just see what they do not say i need a good build way to many people do that. You have to learn and decide for yourslef
s
And not begging "Pls Help Someone!!" is begging.

If at all what you are saying is not plite. Asking for help and when he says search you become all defensive and arrogant for that matter. Everything yukito said was fine. Post your build at least. asking for a good build cause yours was bad requires something to start it off.

Amen... Arrogant people don't follow the rules. Rules state that you don't come in here asking for builds, begging, asking, getting something for free, all the same... GIVE a build, and we'll fix it... To the best ability we got...

At any rate, to what Effigy said, sword tanks in pve are probably the best of the bunch since those Riposte skills are so damn good. [downright spammable with the right adrenal/energy engines]

Now I see your build, hmm, whoever told you that'd work isn't very bright. If you did it yourself, it's a good thing you came in here...

*rolls sleeves*

A non-curses warrior? Curses would make you tank a billion times better but that's just my opinion. People complain about warrior energy being very low and subpar but those people in my eyes are uninformed or just stupid...

First off, 4 stats is a bare limit and you've got 2 options for a four stat spread [NEVER IGNORE YOUR PRIMARY STAT, EVER!!!]. Here's a spread for a more offensive minded Blood Duelist

12+1+3 Swordsmanship, 8+1 Strength, 7+1 Tactics, 8 Blood Magic

OR, if you want more hp and a more damaging secondary set of skills

10+2 Swordsmanship, 9+1 Strength, 7+1 Tactics, 10 Blood Magic

You have 8 tactics in here but you can just swap the strength for tactics stats should you need more defense and less offense... Let's get to the nitty gritty...

Hundred Blades {E}
Riposte
Deadly Riposte
Bonetti's Defense
Life Siphon
Demonic Flesh
Unholy Feast
Plague Touch

Thing you want with this setup is that you need to get adrenaline from 3-7 enemies that are up in your face trying to devour you. Hundred Blades {E} can feed said adrenaline so you can do Riposte followed by Bonetti's. What's so nice about this is that a single Hundred Blades {E} attack should recharge your bonetti's almost instantly if you're mobbing correctly. You'll have a surplus of energy at your disposal since you're Bonetti's stance cowering, therefore that energy should be used to feed Deadly Riposte and Life Siphon. Key to Life Siphon is that you want to cast it on off enemies you're not dealing damage to. Their hp to a degree will keep you going. [if you Life Siphon from 3 foes, which is easily possible due to Bonetti's energy engine, you're pretty much guarunteed to survive most any assault from any number of enemies attacking you]

Demonic Flesh plays well into your tank role seeing as it lasts almost a minute [which is how long the fight will be] and it's fast to cast (so when it runs out you won't get interrupted easily). Cheap on energy too making your max hp VERY nice and high.

If you find yourself on the low end of the hp count, and you're tanking properly [hiding behind Bonetti's about 90% of the time] Unholy Feast is your emergency button.

Plague Touch is merely an option. This isn't a conditions build so it's not really hot but it keeps the conditions off of you and on your foes. [should u get nailed by Rotting Flesh, you can make your pve monster foes pay very dearly for it ^_^] You can replace it with Res Sig at your discretion and your party's.

This is a practically cookie cutter build but I never frown on these because Cookie Cutters are proven to work and get the job done. Find your own cookie cutters here on guru and sharpen them your own way...

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 13, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

For the record, this should be in The Campfire.

entropy · Sep 13, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Personally i just like stances lol.... Here is a pure tanker build. Unholy feast when you really need it.

disciplined stance
bonneti's defence
riposte
gladiators defence
unholy feast
res sig
shield stance(I think this will work I forget the skill discription lol)
life siphon (though personally you would need 12 blood to do this effectively but it lasts a while)

Swap life siphon, riposte, or rez sig as needed. Though overall W/Mo's are better for tanking. This is a mainly for tanking but boost 12 to tactics and 12 to blood. Should be fine I think at least.

Manderlock · Sep 13, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Bah, who need tactics. I have been running my sword W/N since Beta, and it hasent failed me yet.

I could tell you, but then Id have to kill you. lol

In all truth I am a strait dd (dmg dealer) and only use one necro skill.

Obsiedion · Sep 14, 2005, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Thankyou, this is just the advice i needed, Sorry for being an arse about getting it. I accended last night!! Woohoo!!

Thanks and sorry again

Obs

Ps. I still wasnt begging

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 14, 2005, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsiedion

Thankyou, this is just the advice i needed, Sorry for being an arse about getting it. I accended last night!! Woohoo!!

Thanks and sorry again

Obs

Ps. I still wasnt begging

You wanted something without giving anything to start with...

Ps. You were begging...

Gaiserik · Sep 14, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Try this for PvP:

Attributes:
16 Swordmanship (12+1+3)
13 Strength (12+1)

Equipment:
PvP Sword 15% DMG over 50% Health ~ Furious/Sundering + Fortitude
Wyvern Chest, +1 Swordmanship Helm, Rest is Preference
PvP Strength Shield with Fortitude and Reduced Damage (Can't remember if its while enchanted or while in stance, but try to get the one while in stance ~ my PvE Warrior is maxed on all gear and skills, so i haven't really made a sword warrior from the PvP template)

Superior Vigor, Superior Absorption (on chest), Superior Swordmanship, Minor Strength

Skill Bar
[1] Severe Artery
[2] Gash
[3] Final Thrust
[4] Hamstring
[5] Warrior's Endurance
[6] Sprint
[7] Plague Touch
[8] Rez Sig

Warrior's Endurance is there to give you energy to spam Plague Touch. Warrior's are rendered useless by Blind and Cripple, and most run out of energy to spam Mend Ailement (Mo Subs) or Plague Touch (N Subs). With Warrior's Endurance, you'll be able to spam Plague Touch infinitely.

This build revolves around DPS with sword (can be used for axe too, but you won't have the energy supply if you use a Cleave/Eviscerate build). Your modifier boosters are achieved via using Stances.

For PvE

Attributes:
14 Swordmanship (11+3)
12 Strength (11+1)
9 Tactics (8+1)
7/8 Blood

Equipment:
Sword with Furious/Sundering + Fortitude
Dragon Set
Collector's Shield, 16 AC, 9 Tactics Req, +45 HP while in Stance, -2 Damage while in Stance

Skill Bar
[1] Galrath Slash
[2] Final Thrust
[3] Warrior's Endurance
[4] Berserker Stance
[5] Life Siphon
[6] Shields Up
[7] Well of Blood
[8] Rez Sig

I normally don't bring Severe Artery or Gash for PvE because lots of Mobs are immune to it. The above build is more for mission play.

I also know some pple prefer Bonnettis over other stances due to block and nrg gain from it, but you'd need to find a very bum nub team that would actually prioritize Warriors as primary targets...

If your team build is running Martyr, or have a prot monk that can mend ailment good, can even consider doing Rigor Mortis.

A2597 · Sep 18, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

hmm...

I'm a W/N and I rarely die, heres the trick:

lvl 12 death magic
lvl 11 to 13 swordsmanship (With minor rune)
as much strength as you can (Find a balance between swordsmanship and strength)

rest...wherever

Sword: a good max damage with fortitude of whatever
Grim Cesta in DEATH MAGIC, the crafter at Draknors makes an awesome energy +12 (You need that) with health bonus. Just make certain you get the constant effect health bonus.

Bring Shadow of Fear (Don't need anything in curses for this, it's regular is 20 seconds of 50% slower attack on GROUP)

and Soul Feast (Max out Death Magic for this, 230 health as soon as you kill a foe)

the rest, plop into Swordsmanship (Plus a minor swordsmanship rune)

The skills I almost ALWAYS bring:

Shadow of Fear
Soul Feast
Galraeth Slash
Berserker Stance

The rest pretty much any other damage dealing ability or stance that helps (Balanced Stance, bonettis defence)

See, the thing is, magic doesn't matter at all really. All you need is to kill ONE enemy, and you spend a mere 10 mana for 130 health. If you are in a group with another necro, just let him know that occasionally, you'll need a corpse.

Next up, I think you're making a mistake with Gladiators Armor. I used it for a long time, don't need it. Get platemail or some other Armor 85 type. Also throw on a Rune of Superior Absorbtion. And a Sup Vigor. (I use Minor Strength, Minor Swordsmanship, Minor tactics for no reason, Sup Absorbtion, SupVigor)

Against Charr, I take 0 - 1 damage, the only way they kill me is the necros or the bane signets. kill one, BAM, full health.

Trolls, dwarfs, no problem. Shadow of fear the group (Thats how you aggro them, don't attack THEN shadow them, hit them with shadow before you aggro them) kill 1 to 2 of them quickly, save he corpses for when you need them. Upper shiverpeaks I don't die at all unless I'm stupid.

Skeletons and undead are the only bane of this setup, no corpses. When that happens, dump death magic for blood, and get some good life stealing skills on your bar.

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 19, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Wow, an eater of the dead build... I'd mix it up with Putrid Explosion or Necrotic Traversal for energy efficiency

Mordrin Mandrake · Sep 19, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I have been a W/N necro for a long time and been playing around with alot of builds. but for PvE i got stuck with a sword/deathmagic one.
using: Tainted flesh, Soulfeast, Necrotic Traversal, Sever artery, Gash, Flurry ( only because my sword needs a stance, otherwise i'd use Watch your self), Healing Signet. The 8th skill depends on what area i'm pve'ing in. Been trying thisone out in the arenas too and it works very well but I trade necrotic traversal for either sprint or hamstring. It's not the best PvP build but it's not comon and that makes it a bit fun =)

kawaii_bat · Sep 19, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Most players take the W/Mo because it lasts longer, that's because it's good in Defence while at the same time able to still deal damage.
Since you're a W/N you can't be as good as defence as them , so don't try,

Go All-Out offence!

The best skills a Necromancer has to offer a warrior is Curse:
Use these to take away Armor, slow down your adversaries, stay alive longer and deal more damage.

Here are a few examples:

Mark of pain 10e(Yak's Bend)
For 30 Seconds whenever target for is dealt physical damage, Mark of pain deals 10-34 to all adjacent foes.
Barbs 10e(Find at camp Rankor)
For 30 seconds whenever target foe is dealt damage it is dealt 1-8 more damage when hit.
Rigor Mortis 10e
For 8-18 seconds target foe cannot block or evade attacks.
Weaken armor 10e
For 10-34 seconds target foe has -20 armor penalty against physical attacks
Shadow of fear 10e
Target foe and all adjecent foes attack 50% slower for 20-39 seconds.
Plague Signet 0e (Get it off a Grawl boss in Whitman's folly North of Drok's)
Transfer all negative condition from you to target foe (50% failure with Curse 4 or less)
Parasitic Bond 5e
for 20 seconds target foe has health degeneration of 1, when Parasitic bond ends you gain 30-102 health.

COMBO 4 U:
If you cast Mark of Pain then Price of failure(which will take all of your energy if you only have 20), then use Defensive stance, You have 100% chance of evading an attack from the foe that has Price of failure (causing him to take damage everytime he attacks), while you hammer/slash/axe away at him causing further damage to him and all adjacent foes.
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I won't say Blood doesn't have good skills for a Warrior with 20 energy, but they seem to lack spells that could help the warrior in battle without causing him more harm than good.
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If you're looking at Death however:

Consume corpse is fun to play with as well as Necrotic Travel, they make you travel faster to a fallen commrade. (Usually a spell casters that died in the back when the tanks let an ennemy through their ranks)
It also lets you gain health &/or energy as well as cause harm to your foes.

Soul feast : Let's you gain a very decent amount of health if the monks are overtaxed.

If it ever does seem as if you're dying (like you said you did pretty fast) Then cast Death Nova on yourself. At least you'll go down with a great big BOOM!

Which helps your party immensely!

A2597 · Sep 21, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

yea, putrid explosion can be useful, but I find it good only for swarms, or farming.

mark of pain however, can be VERY useful.

I dunno, I tend to swap out skills based on the area ALOT. But Soul Feast ALWAYS comes with me.

ShadowStorm · Sep 21, 2005, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Some people above have already said this, but I'll repeat:

Learn to love Tactics. W/N don't have the Enchantments that the W/Mo has to keep themselves alive, so the W/N has to turn to stances for longevity. In PvE, combined with the right blood magic skills, the stances that Tactics provide will keep you alive just as long as any W/Mo could. In fact, if you've got your build right, you can even solo some of the hardest parts of the game using tactics.

I've been running a sword W/N for a looong time now and the main thing that has allowed me to endure into the later parts of the game has been Tactics. You don't have to worry so much about healing yourself when the enemies aren't hitting you. Trust me on this.

cookiehoarder · Sep 21, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsiedion

Firstly thanks...I will search for some of your builds. Secondly, I wasn't begging, I was saying "please help someone" not "I beg someone to help me" thirdly your arrogance is astounding, not least because you seemingly didn't read the part of my post where I said "infact its not really a build at all." I don't have any skill sets, I mix and match to suit what people ask me to bring. Lastly feel free to respond using some literary diatribe about me being a "n00b" and "wtf am I playing for?"

I was asking for help, which usually I get, and usually in a pleasant manner seems they don't teach politeness in your neck of the woods. But thanks for your help.

Obs

Yukito Kunisaki is the most qualified W/N person in Guild wars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A2597

hmm...

I'm a W/N and I rarely die, heres the trick:

lvl 12 death magic
lvl 11 to 13 swordsmanship (With minor rune)
as much strength as you can (Find a balance between swordsmanship and strength)

rest...wherever

Sword: a good max damage with fortitude of whatever
Grim Cesta in DEATH MAGIC, the crafter at Draknors makes an awesome energy +12 (You need that) with health bonus. Just make certain you get the constant effect health bonus.

Bring Shadow of Fear (Don't need anything in curses for this, it's regular is 20 seconds of 50% slower attack on GROUP)

and Soul Feast (Max out Death Magic for this, 230 health as soon as you kill a foe)

the rest, plop into Swordsmanship (Plus a minor swordsmanship rune)

The skills I almost ALWAYS bring:

Shadow of Fear
Soul Feast
Galraeth Slash
Berserker Stance

The rest pretty much any other damage dealing ability or stance that helps (Balanced Stance, bonettis defence)

See, the thing is, magic doesn't matter at all really. All you need is to kill ONE enemy, and you spend a mere 10 mana for 130 health. If you are in a group with another necro, just let him know that occasionally, you'll need a corpse.

Next up, I think you're making a mistake with Gladiators Armor. I used it for a long time, don't need it. Get platemail or some other Armor 85 type. Also throw on a Rune of Superior Absorbtion. And a Sup Vigor. (I use Minor Strength, Minor Swordsmanship, Minor tactics for no reason, Sup Absorbtion, SupVigor)

Against Charr, I take 0 - 1 damage, the only way they kill me is the necros or the bane signets. kill one, BAM, full health.

Trolls, dwarfs, no problem. Shadow of fear the group (Thats how you aggro them, don't attack THEN shadow them, hit them with shadow before you aggro them) kill 1 to 2 of them quickly, save he corpses for when you need them. Upper shiverpeaks I don't die at all unless I'm stupid.

Skeletons and undead are the only bane of this setup, no corpses. When that happens, dump death magic for blood, and get some good life stealing skills on your bar.

Eeeeeeeeew. No Superior sword? Berserker Stance?

I wouldn't touch that build with a 100 foot-pole