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Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Well, actually, I've been making like 50k exp in Random Arena as a monk. And to be honest, none of this healing/draining energy builds are really good ...
In fact i gotta tell you why the healing/inspiration builds are really bad:

1) The Healing: by focusing 9attributes on Inspiration, you dont heal as much as someone does who has spent that points in Healing.

2) The Energy: Just have a look. If your energy drain hits a target who has like 4/40 energy left, Though luck, your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed. And by the way, its just a boost of energy for a short period of time. The Challenging doesnt really help a lot, if u get back 1/10 energy used for heal other or something, its not really worth it.

3) The most important point: SPOTS: You only have 8 of them. And most people dont think about it when they fill them up with any good-looking spells. My worst problem is not energy, or healing, because im always at full energy and I heal pretty well. But my worst problem are spots. There only 8 and they filled up faster than u can think of it. So why waste them with 2-3 inspiration skills ? Though that they dont help that much.

As a final word, I want to say, that the inspiration isnt doing it. The only mesmer spell i am using is "Hex Breaker" and its worth it. By the way, i made up my own template, which noone is using, and its really good, I cant tell it, because I want to keep it unique. And I didnt just make it up like that, that template is made of hundreds of changes, hours of thinking over the whole template again and experience, which is the most importants factor. Start off with your ideas and improve it.

Now personally, I think that an inspiration monk is crap, but I also think, that a healer-monk isnt really bringing it on. The whole key to success is the protection monk. I mean, I have no problems healing my team, I can remove conditions, and im always at full energy (though it sometimes drops low if im busy, but i never have time-outs, due to energy=0).

Just post here with a few suggestion, I can try to help you and improve them.
But this is ment as a few points to help you, read trough it and think about it.

neoflame · Sep 25, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Randoms aren't PvP.

DeepFyre · Sep 25, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

you havent fought a good mesmer if your energy is always at "full"

Eonwe · Sep 25, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by neoflame

Randoms aren't PvP.

Hopefully people will begin to realize this.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by DeepFyre

you havent fought a good mesmer if your energy is always at "full"

Well actually I did, even against 2mesmers who kept leeching my energy. I could have never done that with a healing monk, because my team would have gone down, they cost too much energy.

I can tell you, if seen everything from leeching to remove enchants.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

Hopefully people will begin to realize this.

ohh right, if it isnt, tell me what it is ? PvE perhaps?
if you guys tryin to be smart, you can do it otherewhere, this thread is supposed to be a place to help ppl, not for you to show how cool you are.+

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

ohh well and if you think that i only faced "not so good" people, because I plaid in random arena, well just as an information, after 10won rounds your team enters team arena

And if you guys now could stop this, I'm ready to help you with monk builds, but I dont really like people posting shit. Thanks for your understanding.

Deathlord · Sep 25, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Heh, I'll have to agree competition arena is not exactly PVP but it's not PvE, it's just an addition to the arenas such as Ascalon or Yaks. I'll also have to say that you seem to have put on quite a display for your energy management. If you can manage to keep three people up in a competition arena then you must be doing something right (No sarcasm here intended, I know it's not easy healing the paladin even though he has a cool +3 mending). In a way, I still think your exxaggerating that you took on 2 mesmers. NO monk can heal well and take on 2 half-decent energy denial mesmers at the same time unless you have a 24/7 spellbreaker on you or something similar to non-targetable enchants.

Anyway, to stay on topic, I have a question.
My prot monk seems to be at a balance between Energy management and heal power, but when a distract ranger comes in it all goes chaotic. I've thought about going secondary elementalist and bringing Glyph of Concentration, but then that'd upset my energy management. Any suggestions?

FrogDevourer · Sep 25, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Thanks for your contribution "Dont Look At My". Could you please share with us some of your favourite builds? I trust that many players could be interested in using them in the random arena.

aB- · Sep 25, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

You can't comment on what is good in PvP unless you're talking about tombs. Team arenas are slightly better, but it is still not a real challenge of skill.

Without any energy management you are going to run into trouble. Maybe not against a team of W/Mo's in the random arena using mending, but against skilled teams you will.

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Originally Posted by Don't Look At My

I'm ready to help you with monk builds, but I dont really like people posting shit.

Then stop telling people to not use energy management.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Well, I cant play actually, but thats goin to be the next im working on, didnt have the time yet to try it out, but I wouldnt go for elementalist. The way to do it are mesmer stances. There are some useful ones, as im using Hex Breaker, I could change it for the one that allows u to not get interrupted. Glyphes just have a too long recharge time.

And erm ... I really standed thoses 2 mesmers, I also standed a necro who gave me like -4mana regen with his hexes, trust me ive seen almost everything, and my buuild is really good, I keep up the 3other ppl without running out of mana, and I coud never do this with heal prayers, its all about protection.

I like it that your playing a prot monk

If you dont mind, send me your template per Private message, or you could just simply post it in here, so I can help you to improve it. Thats up to you.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by aB-

You can't comment on what is good in PvP unless you're talking about tombs. Team arenas are slightly better, but it is still not a real challenge of skill.

Without any energy management you are going to run into trouble. Maybe not against a team of W/Mo's in the random arena using mending, but against skilled teams you will.

Then stop telling people to not use energy management.

And, I dont tell people to not use energy management, I just want to say that most of ppl do it the wrong way. I use energy management too, but in another way, its more safety

well, perhaps i got the topic a bit wrong, its more ment to be arena pvp. Sry about that one. But my template also works in HoH tested it more than once, and won in the HoH also with it.

Patrograd · Sep 25, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21

I think you have the right basic concept, ignore the flames and do what you know is right.

To be honest, its about time the monking profession moved on, the spirit spammers are no longer there, you just dont see QZ any more really and energy control can be done in the way described if the monk concerned is very skillful. Yes, its not for everyone because it requires great anticipation and great self control, but it can be done with practise, yes even in the tombs.

I like to see monks breaking the cookie cutter moulds and thinking for themsleves.

Well done.

neoflame · Sep 25, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Fighting random noobs in RA doesn't give your build any credibility. I've killed 3 different two-monk teams in TA's on one run with a random team consisting of 2 healers, a prot monk, and a hammer R/W; does this mean hammer R/W's are consistently capable of generating enough damage to kill two monks?

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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My

ohh right, if it isnt, tell me what it is ?

RA is like a halfassed bastard child of PvP and PvE; it's not PvE because you know there are humans on the other side of the Internet, but it's not PvP because while the RA is almost entirely random, 95% of those humans are predictably idiotic. (Tombs has a somewhat lower percentage, and GvG the lowest)

Slade xTekno · Sep 25, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Um, care to post your build?

Eonwe · Sep 25, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My

I also standed a necro who gave me like -4mana regen with his hexes, trust me ive seen almost everything, and my buuild is really good.

Omgz! Not wither/malaise! Oh god noooooooooooo! What ever will you do!?!?!

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by neoflame

Fighting random noobs in RA doesn't give your build any credibility. I've killed 3 different two-monk teams in TA's on one run with a random team consisting of 2 healers, a prot monk, and a hammer R/W; does this mean hammer R/W's are consistently capable of generating enough damage to kill two monks?

RA is like a halfassed bastard child of PvP and PvE; it's not PvE because you know there are humans on the other side of the Internet, but it's not PvP because while the RA is almost entirely random, 95% of those humans are predictably idiotic. (Tombs has a somewhat lower percentage, and GvG the lowest)

well i think the last part of your name gets it "flame" u forgot the r at the end of it, if you went to school you would know that

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

Um, care to post your build?

Im sry, but i want to keep it unique, but if u ask for help I will help you to get along. I can bring you close to my template, but you have to figure out one which works for you. As I said experience makes the most part. I built very good Monk, Ele and Necro. Well it doesnt do everything. The best builds are made by combinating skills. You have to think a lot about it. I personally think that you can do the strongest builds with Mesmers, Eles, Necros and Monks. Because they have some very nice spells, you just have to combinate them.

And its not about unlocking all skills, my furthest character in Roleplay is at Thunderkeep Head. I really do lods of arena (also team arena for the flamers who are to stupid to read it, because i posted it alreddy, and there arent only noobs)

Just ask me some things.

Great thanks to <Patrograd>, I like your attitude.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

Omgz! Not wither/malaise! Oh god noooooooooooo! What ever will you do!?!?!

and yes they were using wither/malaise so what?

Eonwe · Sep 25, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Wither/Malaise is terrible, that's what.

Dont Look At My · Sep 25, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

yey thats right, but it doesnt mean its not killable, like what you do if I dont let you hex me with them ?
so ... I tell you, wither/malaise just suckz, because it doesnt do anything to me.
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