Curse

Dont Look At My · Oct 03, 2005, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

I use Armor of Earth and Kinetic armor on my monk in CA. Extra 108 armor for 30 seconds then its down to just 60. I just spam 5 energy spells to keep it up and run around while all the enemies do 1s and 2s to me. I went on a 20 win streak with that build

well you were lucky that you played against noobs. Can you tell me where you get the energy from to spamm 5energy spells when a mesmer is leeching your energy?

Kassad · Oct 03, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My

well you were lucky that you played against noobs. Can you tell me where you get the energy from to spamm 5energy spells when a mesmer is leeching your energy?

Wow I have obsidian flesh, whats this? oh thats right mesmer cant touch this..

Dont Look At My · Oct 03, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Wow I have obsidian flesh, whats this? oh thats right mesmer cant touch this..

ohh wow, well you're noob. as mesmer I just count down the time till flesh ends, set backfire on you, leech you're energy, and as soon as backfire ends I keep bombarding you with damage spells.

and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???

well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?

As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build?

Kassad · Oct 03, 2005, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Wow you dont know anything dude, once i get back from work i'll tell you why mesmer is completely useless against a good earth ele.

Guizzy · Oct 03, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Actually, when I was a Earth Ele (Me/E), I used Arcane Echo to recast Obsidian Flesh. The time my second Obsidian Flesh went down, I was able to recast my real one, for a total Obsidian Flesh duration of one minute without a downtime.

Of course; I could not do much except just be alive. Well, I could attract some attention from Stone Daggering some weak target, so they wasted some time on me. Still, there are tons of better things to do on the field than just staying alive.

I soon found out that dying is not such a bad things as long as you've been worth your slot. If, for instance, I die very far from the melee, and managed to slow an enemy warrior so that it will take a lot of time for him to go back to the fight, I've been practically worth my slot. If you manage to cast a very large spell on all the enemy team before dying, it's not that bad. Even if you die before casting anything, but you manage to attract their whole aggro for the split-second your team needs to run up to their monk / mesmers / elementalists, it might have been a good tradeoff. If you are some dead weight on the battlefield, no one's gonna want to play with you.

FrogDevourer · Oct 03, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42

If you want a quick static defense, Armor of Earth is faster and possibly better. The 3s casting time of kinetic makes it hard to use efficiently against good opponents (who will strip it, or simply ignore you for a softer target). However, if you use a kinetic build, you can keep it up easily. In short, kinetic can be better provided that your build makes a good use of this skill (typically a kinetic/obs flesh turtle monk), but most of the time, Armor of Earth is more practical.

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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My

ohh wow, well you're noob. as mesmer I just count down the time till flesh ends, set backfire on you, leech you're energy, and as soon as backfire ends I keep bombarding you with damage spells.

and oohhh, you got some energy back up, FAST FAST; lets recast Obsidian Flesh. Now. Ever heard of Interruption skills???

well I will explain you, its like going to school. Your Flesh has 1sec cast time,
my interruption skills have a casttime of 0,13sec. Now asks the teacher. Which spell is gonna be faster? I tell you, I will interrupt you before you can get your goddamn defences up. And know what?

As with 10seconds backfire, your kinetic armor runs out. And my spells interrupt you from casting Flesh. So whats now with your ubaa build?

Great job being an arrogant and condescending brat on an off topic subject.

Now reread the Obs Flesh description and you'll see that you have exactly 6s to backfire/leech and to interrupt the next occurrence of Obs.Flesh. Provided that this skill isn't echoed/mimicried, and that you're able to count correctly, or smashing your BF button, and taking into account the 1.5s casting time of backfire (~50% with high fast cast), you have 4.5s left to do all this. Now the Obs Flesh owner will cast only once through BF to be protected by the enchant again, then wait 4s for BF to wear off, and resume his spellcasting.

As for interrupting a 1s spell with interrupts and taking into account natural human speed and potential lag (not to mention Glyph of Sacrifice or Fast Casting), I seriously doubt you'll be able to catch Obs.Flesh every 30s. And even if you were good and able to shut down this combination entirely with these spells, you'll have to spend your whole time baby sitting the elementalist. Conclusion it's a 1v1 trade off. Good job wasting your time.

Obsidian Flesh is by no means an unbeatable spell but it's unarguably a very good defense, especially against mesmers now that the inspiration line has been toned down. Yes it can be defeated but most mesmers out there (and especially in the 4v4 arenas) won't be able to handle flesh properly, and BF is not a solution.

Next time you want to use this arrogant tone, be sure the poster and his argument deserve this treatment, or you'll just sound like a fool.

Dont Look At My · Oct 03, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

well I had my reasons, I always like it to be a fool ^^
but he was just like yelling around "I am unkillable" Quote: "Mesmers cant touch this"

thats what draw my attention. Actually people are noticing Obsidian Flesh because Kinetic Armor got boosted up, didnt hear people talk a lot about Obsidian Flesh before, its not like Obsidian Flesh got boosted, it is still beatable ^^
and, erm, I met some eles alreddy with my mesmers, and they were using Obsidian flesh, and I did count correctly, backfire-> GIVES YOU 10seconds to leech and cast other stuff. Because backfire lasts 10seconds. After than you can bring something in which doubles his cast rate, which makes it really easy for you to block.
Well about the lagg, this was a huge problem for me always, because lagg suckz, well I found a solution, I move close to the ennemi. Two advantages in there:
1) some interrupt spells are being "thrown" so they needed longer the further your away from your ennemi
2) You can follow him if he trys to run *g*

Well I tryed a fun build once, in fact in random arena, you can overcast Obsidian Flesh, without having a cooldown. Really funny, but you have to focuss fully on Obsidian Flesh, which means not really lods of damage, but you are unkillable.
You have a total bonus from armor of: 150, being immune to any kind of spells, its just cool ^^

there is an easy version for monks:
16divine favor
12earth magic

*have a +20% staff
*Cast Blessed Aura

now this will make you have a cooldown of 2seconds, and having 1sec recast time.
means 3seconds where you can get hurt.
now as mesmers (the ones who know somthing of the game), count down for 24seconds, they cast their backfir: 1-2seconds, so you're at 26seconds.
their backfire fails, and you can just wait off 3seconds (perhaps put Holy Veil in when Obsidian flesh goes off).

But look at the disadvanteges, you can't heal your teammates as much, and thats a big problem. You can make "unkillable" builds (depends who you encounter) with lods of classes, but I wouldn't give you the advice to do so.

Dont Look At My · Oct 03, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Guizzy

Actually, when I was a Earth Ele (Me/E), I used Arcane Echo to recast Obsidian Flesh. The time my second Obsidian Flesh went down, I was able to recast my real one, for a total Obsidian Flesh duration of one minute without a downtime.

Of course; I could not do much except just be alive. Well, I could attract some attention from Stone Daggering some weak target, so they wasted some time on me. Still, there are tons of better things to do on the field than just staying alive.

I soon found out that dying is not such a bad things as long as you've been worth your slot. If, for instance, I die very far from the melee, and managed to slow an enemy warrior so that it will take a lot of time for him to go back to the fight, I've been practically worth my slot. If you manage to cast a very large spell on all the enemy team before dying, it's not that bad. Even if you die before casting anything, but you manage to attract their whole aggro for the split-second your team needs to run up to their monk / mesmers / elementalists, it might have been a good tradeoff. If you are some dead weight on the battlefield, no one's gonna want to play with you.

sry didn't see your post. That's exactly what I'm trying to say, people loose the knowledge of their role on the battlefield.

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Wow you dont know anything dude, once i get back from work i'll tell you why mesmer is completely useless against a good earth ele.

Well great one, go and play against a good team, I know that Obsidian Flesh is good, but generally mesmer is anti-caster, and since ele is a caster, mesmer must be anti-ele, so memser can't be really completely useless against an ele.

Kassad · Oct 05, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Dude Mesmer cant touch this as i said, like YOU said, Mesmer stances ftw!
E/Me with Mantra of resolve, Dude dont be a ignorant noob and think next time when you post.

Dont Look At My · Oct 05, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

well tell me how mantra of resolve stops me from putting backfire on you, and then start leeching your energy.
Ohh well you wil be able to recast, with the result that I will try to interrupt you, and you loose much energy again. What are you going to do with an ubaaprotection set up, and no energy to attack something?
That sounds just as silly as the self-protecting warrior-monk builds.

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Dude Mesmer cant touch this as i said, like YOU said, Mesmer stances ftw!
E/Me with Mantra of resolve, Dude dont be a ignorant noob and think next time when you post.

I think next time you should think before you post.

unienaule · Oct 05, 2005, 08:48 AM // 08:48

This has degenerated into a battle of little kids. "I have shields." "My guns go through shields." "No they don't." "Yes they do." Mods, close this.

Dont Look At My · Oct 05, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

aight. There has just been like someone coming completly off topic.
Isn't it that what you did Kassad?

Kassad · Oct 05, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Dont Look At My

well tell me how mantra of resolve stops me from putting backfire on you, and then start leeching your energy.
Ohh well you wil be able to recast, with the result that I will try to interrupt you, and you loose much energy again. What are you going to do with an ubaaprotection set up, and no energy to attack something?
That sounds just as silly as the self-protecting warrior-monk builds.

EDIT:
I think next time you should think before you post.

Resolve then Flesh, god why cant you just understand you cant beat a good earth ele?

unienaule · Oct 05, 2005, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Kassad: "I'm invincible." Not true. I'm an earth ele. Melandru's arrows would own you.
Don't: "I can kill you cause im arrogant and sarcastic." Nuff said.
Can either of you shut up? Clearly Kassad isn't going to be reasoned with. Hopefully Dont can just let it die.

Kassad · Oct 05, 2005, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Kassad: "I'm invincible." Not true. I'm an earth ele. Melandru's arrows would own you.
Don't: "I can kill you cause im arrogant and sarcastic." Nuff said.
Can either of you shut up? Clearly Kassad isn't going to be reasoned with. Hopefully Dont can just let it die.

Oh ya, 1-2dmg a hit will clearly own me in seconds, with my set up I just run it at LA arena, spells cant be casted at me and they have like a 4-6 second window to do so and all dmg is 1-2. Eviscerate does 5 dmg.. with aura of rest up I can keep my health up max most of the time.

unienaule · Oct 05, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Clearly now you are a noob. Melandrus does extra ARMOR IGNORING DAMAGE and bleeding when you have enchants up. gg. I know, I'm an earth ele. Please just stop, mr. "I'm Invincible." We all know you can be killed in a variety of different ways. Please, everyone ignore whatever ignorant comments he posts after this, and just let it die. Thank you.

Kassad · Oct 05, 2005, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Clearly now you are a noob. Melandrus does extra ARMOR IGNORING DAMAGE and bleeding when you have enchants up. gg.

Wow my gw must be bugged then, because whenever i get attacked by a melandrus ranger, yes your right.. -1, -2 pop up on screen. Yes change your post, I guess your running out of "reasons how my build can be owned so easy." Your just a noob who thinks he knows everything, Good luck in guild wars.

unienaule · Oct 05, 2005, 11:14 AM // 11:14

And you didn't change your post... not that it matters, but you just added "hypocrite" to your growing list of problems. And no, I'm not the one claiming invicibility off just one skill. Do you see ANYONE and i mean ANYONE crying for an Ob Flesh nerf? No. That's because Melandru's arrows works like I say it does. Go test it in SF if you don't believe me. Oh and the balance between large energy pool vs. not losing a ton of energy from Mantra of Resolve when i try to interrupt you means you will have low amounts of energy.

Kassad · Oct 05, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

SF and Pvp are different things.. are you not aware of that?

unienaule · Oct 05, 2005, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Skills are the same in both places, are you not aware of that?