Curse

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 17, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

i have tried every sort of r/w build i could think of, cause at one time i thought it was pretty fun being a ranger with their stances, until the time when people brought anti stances and i had my ass handed back to me more then i would their's back to them, R/W is garbage and thats that

wow. i wonder why several top 20 guilds have one then? better get on the horn and let them know.

i never said they were the be all end all of builds, but people go out of their way to say they suck. thats the part that blows my mind.

entropy · Oct 17, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Umm they DO SUCK. The 1UP builds are just bad. "theorycraft"? Why in the world would you run cleave for eviscerate? And what is with people and them saying OMG the top 20 guilds run a R/W. Now I must create my UBERl33t version. The R/W could be the runner though a R/Me would do it better... I mean I don't go and look around for top 20 guilds and their builds but let me tell you taht I will bet my life on the fact that they don't run the 1up garbage.

JYX · Oct 17, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by entropy

Umm they DO SUCK. The 1UP builds are just bad. "theorycraft"? Why in the world would you run cleave for eviscerate?

Warrior heavy teams might consider it. Or split up, some don't like this idea.

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Originally Posted by entropy

The R/W could be the runner

Or he could be a ranger who uses frenzy.

entropy · Oct 17, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

But the ranger has expertise why not use tigers fury??? The skill lockdown is a pain but its not that bad. What stance would the ranger use to cancel it out sprint? Then you might as well have run a warrior. You already mentioned it before against me but I mean cleave can't spike. Especially on a R/W I would definetley run eviscerate for the damage boost. Cleave is mroe dps but without 16 axe mastery its already a pretty weak spike.

JYX · Oct 17, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by entropy

But the ranger has expertise why not use tigers fury???

You need 12 beastmastery to get tiger's fury to 10 seconds. If you use a choking gas or IA build...or both...then you will leave an extremely large window of opportunity in which your enemy can cast. You will want to boost wilderness survival high to make choking gas last long, which is why you can't spare much into beastmastery. The inability to use preps is also debilitating here for obvious reasons, Tiger's Fury is just too hard to synch with all your interrupt preps which you NEED up. Frenzy...or even Flurry helps.

Not that I recommend using a choking gas build anyway...but erm...a topic for another day...

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 18, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by entropy

Umm they DO SUCK. The 1UP builds are just bad. "theorycraft"? Why in the world would you run cleave for eviscerate? And what is with people and them saying OMG the top 20 guilds run a R/W. Now I must create my UBERl33t version. The R/W could be the runner though a R/Me would do it better... I mean I don't go and look around for top 20 guilds and their builds but let me tell you taht I will bet my life on the fact that they don't run the 1up garbage.

the obvious point being that if R/W just plain sucks then top 20 guilds would not run one. i never said they run the 1up build, i never said to copy your build from another guild. you would choose cleave instead of eviscerate becasue you can spam it twice as much.

Neo-LD · Oct 18, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

the obvious point being that if R/W just plain sucks then top 20 guilds would not run one. i never said they run the 1up build, i never said to copy your build from another guild. you would choose cleave instead of eviscerate becasue you can spam it twice as much.

That is the kind of argument that only had a shred of kindof maybe validity in the spriti spamming era. Arguing that now is just silly, show me one good guild that uses a R/W (a non-bow R/W) oh wait, ther arent any.

If you would kindly use the search button there are at least 15 different threads about Warrior primaries vs R/W. Highly spirited debates, and plenty of better R/Ws than ANET's were posted. But they still sucked. Go use the search button and see ifyou can tell me why. (hint, look for my thread, "Disproving the R/W" read the first post)

But ever since the pvpx update, when the age of spirits came to a close, there are no more threads like that. Why? Because QZ, the only thing in the meta-game which made R/Ws kind of maybe sort of almost worth it is now GONE.

Seriously fella, get with the times. No one uses R/Ws anymore (finally) Especially not the top 20 guilds.

lhurgrokoyv · Oct 18, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

wow. i wonder why several top 20 guilds have one then? better get on the horn and let them know.

i never said they were the be all end all of builds, but people go out of their way to say they suck. thats the part that blows my mind.

if you honestly think top 20 guilds use r/w in their builds, your sadly mistaken

VGJustice · Oct 18, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

oddly, I run a R/W that was somewhat similar to the 1up build. But, I use a sword, I spam many conditions (not just poison, like the 1up build), and I don't use either Frenzy or Storm Chaser.

I've noticed that I'll get treated only one of 2 ways when I PvP with this character: I'll either get ignored until much later, or they will do their best to take me out early. Not too sure why that is, I'm still a PvP newb, so take my words as you will.

I've seen that the build can be VERY effective for spam poisoning, not on a single target, but by bouncing around between targets. If the healer isn't too bright, I can drain their energy by making them want to cure all the sudden poison. That, plus Bleeding and Blind, can make a Healer's job really annoying.

But, yeah, the 1up R/W build had the wrong idea for that type. You should NEVER try to run a damage build with a Melee Ranger. You are FAR too fragile for that.

entropy · Oct 18, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

the obvious point being that if R/W just plain sucks then top 20 guilds would not run one. i never said they run the 1up build, i never said to copy your build from another guild. you would choose cleave instead of eviscerate becasue you can spam it twice as much.

I don't look at top 20 guild builds and why would they give them out??? Do you play with them often? Cleave sucks in general. Special conditions apply to everything. IF you really want to argue the cleave and eviscerate debate go and read all the posts in the Library of Wisdom section. There is a VERY long thread on it and you will see it. Stop comparing yourself or the 1up builds to the top 20 guilds. Its a Primary and secondary combo. IT does not mean they run the 1up shit. Which it is. Tell me exactly what they run their skills and attributes. Does it use cleave and a shield??? Does it use axe??? COME ON. The top 20 guilds are good but that does not mean that they are GODLY and that them using a certain combo means that it is great. They could be testing something out. I think you put too much reverence on them. And all I have seen in your posts are They run it so it must be good. Use you brain and your finger. Click the search and look.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 20, 2005, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by entropy

I don't look at top 20 guild builds and why would they give them out??? Do you play with them often?
all the time
Cleave sucks in general. Special conditions apply to everything. IF you really want to argue the cleave and eviscerate debate go and read all the posts in the Library of Wisdom section. There is a VERY long thread on it and you will see it.
so every person who says cleave doesent suck in that thread is dead wrong according to you. why would you ask me to read a thread that you admittedly dont agree with?
Stop comparing yourself or the 1up builds to the top 20 guilds.
i never did either
Its a Primary and secondary combo. IT does not mean they run the 1up shit.
i never said they did. i said they run a R/W. someone said R/W was useless so i pointed out its not
Which it is. Tell me exactly what they run their skills and attributes. Does it use cleave and a shield??? Does it use axe??? COME ON.
your back or your chin? thats obviously what you want

The top 20 guilds are good but that does not mean that they are GODLY and that them using a certain combo means that it is great.
yeah, but they got to the top 20 by being closed minded pricks, right? i cant see why a top 20 guild would run a test build in rated gvg
They could be testing something out.
if only one guild ran it once, i wouldnt post about it.
I think you put too much reverence on them. And all I have seen in your posts are They run it so it must be good.
really? you should read the whole post then.
Use you brain and your finger. Click the search and look.

that last statement is hilarious. i can also do a search that will come up with threads that say you cannot win and hold the hall with iway, smite, or ranger spike. already done 2/3 of those. i did use my brain and my finger. i used my brain to be open minded and try something new and my finger to execute the actions.

and finally, this is the internet. i really dont care who thinks i am a 'noob' or not. i saw grubby come into netol once and people called him a noob. at the time he had just won several thousand dollars in a tournament. i'm not quite as good at GW as he is at wc3 but the point stands. no matter what i say people will flame me and call me names. i put this post here to see if anybody else actually tried the builds, voice my opinion, and maybe get one person to try something different. if you dont like my opinion thats fine. but since you admittedly havent played any top 20 guilds and you havent tried what i voiced my opinion about it makes your case weak at the very best.

entropy · Oct 20, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

LMAO

Hall is not hard to get to. Get any decent group on vent or just halfway decent and you will make it their with a balanced group. I have Held hall with IWAY. Its harder but it can be done. Wait so I haven't played with top20 guilds i suck? I have played against top 20 guilds. And BTW ranking doesn't mean much at the moment. The guild wars ladder is really really really bad at determining who is good or who is bad. The ladder system sucks in
general. If you want to debate the ladder system anytime I'd be pleased to.

Hmm so searching is a bad thing? This is GW not WC3. You stated that the 1up builds were brilliant. They sucked. Trying to pull it onto whether R/W's are good or bad.. well start a new thread. All I see in your post is condescendance. Its in the last paragraph. I never ever say someone is noob. I say you are wrong and why. If you don't agree run the 1up garbage. I am simply stating my opinion as well

What is with the comment on my chin??? The thread in the Library of Wisdom is by Ensign in IQ. ITS math simple math. If you see something wrong in his equation message him. DPS just does not kill competent teams. Spike does. Eviscerate spikes and cleave is bad in general. Find a special way to use cleave good for you. You just made a sucky skill halfway decent. And the opinion by ensign was that cleave sucked.

My last point is that Why should I try half the builds on here. I don't have time to try and run them all. But its pretty obvious the 1up builds sucked. So I don't try them. I run funky weird and sometime stupid builds but I never put it off as brilliant.

edit* I'd also like to add that the only way you justify the R/W is by saying the top20 guilds run it. Now WHY do they? Tell me its role and how it fufills it. I guess from playing everyday with them you should know it. Also Give me how many top20 guilds run it. You keep making these extraordinary statements with no proof or even any logic.

BTW did you even read the Eviscerate/Cleave debate thread and I mean the whole thing? Spam cleave twice as much. Well it hurts your other adrenal skills as well. If you have no idea what I'm talking about actually read it. Cause I'm pretty sure you haven't And feel free to post in it. I have many recent posts in it so quote me all you like.

kawaii_bat · Oct 20, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

i have tried every sort of r/w build i could think of, cause at one time i thought it was pretty fun being a ranger with their stances, until the time when people brought anti stances and i had my ass handed back to me more then i would their's back to them, R/W is garbage and thats that

I was in the Thirsty River mission and the only tank we had was a R/W and she kicked monster butt!

I thought: ''wow that's interesting never though about an evasive warrior.''

But I would indeed understand that such a thing is more difficult to play in PvP

Neo-LD · Oct 20, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

that last statement is hilarious. i can also do a search that will come up with threads that say you cannot win and hold the hall with iway, smite, or ranger spike. already done 2/3 of those. i did use my brain and my finger. i used my brain to be open minded and try something new and my finger to execute the actions.

and finally, this is the internet. i really dont care who thinks i am a 'noob' or not. i saw grubby come into netol once and people called him a noob. at the time he had just won several thousand dollars in a tournament. i'm not quite as good at GW as he is at wc3 but the point stands. no matter what i say people will flame me and call me names. i put this post here to see if anybody else actually tried the builds, voice my opinion, and maybe get one person to try something different. if you dont like my opinion thats fine. but since you admittedly havent played any top 20 guilds and you havent tried what i voiced my opinion about it makes your case weak at the very best.

would you care to enlighten us as to exactly why that R/W or any version close to that R/W is good? I mean, comon, its not like people here are debating weather they are an "almost" or a "close but..." or a "pretty good" its more like most good people around here think they are the biggest joke since mass gyros. You have to realize that the majority of people dont want to here more R/W arguments, and particularly dont want someone (someone who they percieve to be an upstart scrub) to come in here with an R/W that he thinks is the best thing since sliced bread. You are fighting uphill. There are people to convince. Hint: dont play innocent and say "i only wanted to discuss these jeez cmon man it was a simple question. if that were the case you wouldnt have bothered to defend their viability when people voiced their disapproval.

there must be some logic behind it, but most people around here just dont get why it is preferable to use a character with substandard damage, substandard skills and a substandard elite. perhaps because, as you claim, you have played with the top 20 guilds, you could explain it to us, instead of standing on top of your soapbox and shouting "THEY ARE GOOD THEY ARE GOOD THEY ARE GOOD".

JYX · Oct 20, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

that last statement is hilarious. i can also do a search that will come up with threads that say you cannot win and hold the hall with iway, smite, or ranger spike. already done 2/3 of those. i did use my brain and my finger. i used my brain to be open minded and try something new and my finger to execute the actions.

New? Like IWAY/Smite/Ranger Spike? Stop being pretentious. The R/W has been tried. Its no good.

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

and finally, this is the internet. i really dont care who thinks i am a 'noob' or not.

Everybody thinks you're a noob.

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

i saw grubby come into netol once and people called him a noob. at the time he had just won several thousand dollars in a tournament.

Grubby is a noob. He used shadow hunter first and got his ass handed to him. Showtime handed it back to him at the champs when he thought he'd be clever and use Blademaster. Spirit_Moon hand it to him, just casually. Its all downhill for him now, 4K can't compete on the same level. Going to Korea to play pro?...I guess Korea has 5 new manual labourers now.

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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh

if you dont like my opinion thats fine. but since you admittedly havent played any top 20 guilds and you havent tried what i voiced my opinion about it makes your case weak at the very best.

No I think the fact you took a really bad build, then tried everything under the sun to justify it. From saying its fun, to saying it can be effective, to saying its a team player...that makes your case look weak. Speaking of weak, Grubby's a whiner as well as an underachiever.

pagansaint · Oct 21, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Except he lost the popular vote.

edit: Except for when the people had to choose who they actually wanted.

edit: and 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

Neo-LD · Oct 21, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

edit: and 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

including that one?

unienaule · Oct 21, 2005, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Flamewar ftl.

FrogDevourer · Oct 21, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Closed as pointless.

@Hanuman li Tosh: you earned a second bad note on your profile with this stupid picture. Next time will be the third and last note before we hit the ban button. Consider yourself warned.