Curse

Scar Ishbal · Aug 05, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

okay im a W/n with
Hammer mastery 12
Strength 12
Blood magic 11 (atm)

but i was wondering what necro skills would work best wwith my warrior.
ATM i use: Flurry | staggering blow | Heavy blow | Dolyak signet | plague touch
basicaly flurry lasts 5 seconds with 5 second recharge so i keep it on all the time to counter my hammers slower attack rate, then as my adrenaline charges up i weaken them with staggering blow and then knock them down with heavy blow. Dolyak signet is there to help vs enemies with knockdown and plague touch just to get rid of unwanted conditions.
can any1 reccomend a few more skills to work with what i got so far.

n.b: i got a zealous hammer haft so with flurry on all the time i dont ever get too low on energy

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 05, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Frenzy > Flurry

dmg greater than defense.

If you want to go necro, blood is kinda weak in terms of efficiency. Curses all the way... for me at least.

Blood magic? Life Siphon is, meager. Strip Enchant I GUESS if you need blood magic, but Rend Enchantments alone is a strong enough reason to go curses.

Mark of Subversion is good anti-caster if you have the energy to feed it.

Enigmatics · Aug 05, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

If you just want a quicker burst of adrenaline, flurry is a somewhat useful skill. But it won't add any damage; the -25% is nullified by the 25% increased attack speed. You'll be doing the exact same damage, and spending energy in a fast way. I'd suggest trying curses in blood's stead; they compliment warriors' melee fighting.

Andy_M · Aug 06, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Then you can use mark of pain and barbs -> flurry becomes your friend then.

Cybrosys · Aug 08, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I have a newly started W/N aswell and warrior is a new profession to me, at the start of the game i loved blood, it renewed me faster than mobs could lower my hp; i loved it. But now when i'm as early in the game as up in the mountains i get owned constantly, blood doesn't help me, period.

From what i'm seeing here and from what i can tell of the skill list, curses is the way to go when it comes to "What you get for your sp", but i'd love to get some feedback on what warrior skills to use aswell as necro for PvE. I prefer to use swords so any help would be very apreciated.

Neo-LD · Aug 08, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

If you are a war with a necro secondary there is one skill that you HAVE to bring. Plauge Touch.

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 08, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo-LD

If you are a war with a necro secondary there is one skill that you HAVE to bring. Plauge Touch.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

Meimei · Aug 08, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Hammer and Blood doesnt match. Hammer needs elite skill such as Devastating Hammer, with out it hammer is pretty much weak. For Blood line, Life Transfer is a very powerful elite spell. The problem is u can not have 2 elite at same time.

Hammer 12+4 Strength 11+1 Curse 6
Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Heavy Blow
Plague Touch
Warrior's Cunning Or Rush. rush is far superior compare to sprint
Frenzy
Rend enchancement
Res Sig

The beauty of Necro is it support neg condition transfer/plague touch and enchancement remover/rend enchancement which warriors really lacks of. With these ability you only need to worry about hex. Also the Key point of hammer warrior is to do burst damage which are your knockdown abillities. With 2 chain knockdowns you can make your target unable to do anything for 8 seconds. And what you want to do is to do ANYTHING to burst your damage to KILL your target within 8 secs before your target can move. Frenzy is the most critical skill to burst your damage and kill your target within 8 seconds. Also talking about burst dmg on 2 chain knockdown, pure hammer damage is Far superior then aftershock if your eyes are not blind by 1 big beautiful damage. Here is the combo that you can kill your target within 8 secs of 2 chain knockdowns(Casters and Rangers ONLY). 1st you buff with Frenzy, then you do [Devastating Hammer 70dmg Knockdown] > [Crushing Blow 100dmg+70dmg] > [Regular attack 50dmg] > [Heavy Blow 80dmg Knockdown] > [Regular attack 50dmg] > [Regular attack 50dmg] > [Regular attack 50dmg]. Your target is being 2 chain knockdown full time for 8 seconds and you can do all these attacks before your target can move.

For those of you who has problem taking double dmg on frenzy, Learn how to use it. You do not use frenzy when you are getting attack except some critical situation. You can always switch around with rush and frenzy because both of them overide.

If you want to go blood line, sword is a good choice for you
Sword 11+4 Strength 8+1 Blood 12
Sever Artery
Gash
Final Thrust
Hamstring
Plague Touch
Siphon Life
Life Transfer
Res Sig

1st Cast Siphon Life on your target, then go up to your target and hamstring, then do Sever Artery + Gash, Life Transfer if needed.

For res sig, im sick of these ppl who brought it and doenst know how to use it effectively. You see a dead member, cast it RIGHT WHEN HE DIES, NOT WHEN THE GROUP IS BEING WIPE OUT. and that's how res sig got a bad name on it.

ifuwerepbandj · Aug 08, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

If you are going blood for the healing purposes, in PvE I find that it is inefficient in comparison to curses. Life Transfer (elite) can give like 6 health regen for 12 sec or so (guestimation but close). 6x12= 72 health regen over a period of time. That would be really nice if it didn't cost 10 energy and have a horrible recharge time. I find that parasitic bond (curses) is highly effective. While it works different from other healing, ( you cast it before you think you will get hurt) once you get the hang of it, it is highly efficient. The recharge and cast times are almost instant and the energy cost is only 5. On top of all that it heals for more than the elite life tranfsfer. At 10 in curses it heals for about 90 health. Another good thing is that it doesn't matter if it is dispelled because you get the healing when the curse ends. I tend to use it as a type of life per kill device, ie parasitic bond + spike damage = enemy dead and you are 90 hp happier.

Enigmatics · Aug 08, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by ifuwerepbandj

Life Transfer (elite) can give like 6 health regen for 12 sec or so (guestimation but close). 6x12= 72 health regen over a period of time. That would be really nice if it didn't cost 10 energy and have a horrible recharge time.

And a level 16 Eviscerate does 142 damage, while being dealt in less than one second. Life Transfer is a very lousy elite; especially since it's actually better in PUGs. I'll also appeal to those who have experience with Mantra of Recall -Parasitic Bond has the same idea behind it. Some people like that delay, some despise it.

Tellani Artini · Aug 08, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by ifuwerepbandj

Life Transfer (elite) can give like 6 health regen for 12 sec or so (guestimation but close). 6x12= 72 health regen over a period of time.

6 pips of regen give 12 health per second, making the actual number 144 in that equation. GWG skill listing claims life transfer (at 12 blood) actually provides 7 regen for 11 seconds, making the total 154. That's 154 healing and 154 damage for 10 energy (over 11 seconds). Not bad.

Enigmatics · Aug 08, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Ouch. Obviously, I didn't read that thoroughly enough. In any case, Eviscerate activates every (1.33*7+1.33) 10[.64] seconds, while Life Transfer activates every 30 seconds. In the time it takes you to recharge Life Transfer, you'll have done roughly 226 damage with 3 Eviscerates.

Meimei · Aug 08, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Life transfer + siphon life both stacks which heals + 10 regen (20 regen per sec) and 10 degen (20 degen per sec). And both spells are ranged which does not require adrenaline, does not require anything to cast. Combine with sword skills can pretty much screw the casters.

Enigmatics · Aug 08, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Cycling targets for Life Siphon won't work, because of warriors' limited energy pool. Granted, Life Transfer can bail you out of a tough situation, but skills like ViM and Healing Hands will do a much better job at it. Life Transfer's only appeal seems to be that you're doing damage while healing yourself.

Cybrosys · Aug 09, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Thanks for all the replies, though i was hoping for some skill help with Sword and Curse and not Hammer/Curse and Sword/Blood. I've already ruled out blood seeing as it didn't help me squat.

But from your enthusiasm i'll aim to get my hands on plague touch

My current skillbar at Lvl13 :

For Great Justice
Power Attack
Sever Artery
Gash
Healing Signet
Mark of Pain
Parasitic Bond
Sprint

I'm too used to having tons of energy so this wasn't my first setup. I had some help from a more experienced warrior to show me the light, hence not use warrior skills that use energy unless it's needed, so the energy could be focused on the necro skills instead.

Tears_Of_Crimson · Aug 16, 2005, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Im tryin to find out gr8 builds for pvp W/N. in here ive only found 1 build which sems promising but i wonder if it is possible to have a death/blood warrior with sword rather than the above suggested cursewarrior to be good at pvp. thx

knives · Aug 16, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Run a conditions sword warrior + plague touch + victory is mine. I play an axe w/n with some nice tactics skills (thrill of victory, victory, heal sig (not needed if in organized groups)) and plague touch makes you almost immune to any conditions, esp. blind. THings you need to watch out for are mostly wards + aegis + guardian.

I do sufficient damage (deep wound, cripple, penetrating/executioners, thrill) and can self heal myself pretty well. This build is mainly for random/team, where you can't always rely on one person. I'd rather not tombs/gvg with my warrior anyways.

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 16, 2005, 03:59 AM // 03:59

Thrill of Victory is downright scandalous at only 10 tactics...

For some VERY unknown reason, when I use Weaken Armor on a running caster. Thrill of Victory Crits for 130 and Exe Strike only for 110.

Repeatedly.

I have no idea why that is, maybe my crits are fluctuating? [yeah, but Thrill of Victory SHOULDN'T be out damaging Exe Strike...]

Odd, but neat!

ifuwerepbandj · Aug 16, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Cybrosys if you bring Mark of Pain make sure you bring some increased attack speed skill. Flurry works great because with Mark of Pain it only matters how many times you hit the target, and you don't want the target to die so quick that mark of pain doesn't do significant damage to surrounding creatures.

DarkAynjil · Aug 16, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybrosys

Thanks for all the replies, though i was hoping for some skill help with Sword and Curse and not Hammer/Curse and Sword/Blood. I've already ruled out blood seeing as it didn't help me squat.

But from your enthusiasm i'll aim to get my hands on plague touch

My current skillbar at Lvl13 :

For Great Justice
Power Attack
Sever Artery
Gash
Healing Signet
Mark of Pain
Parasitic Bond
Sprint

I'm too used to having tons of energy so this wasn't my first setup. I had some help from a more experienced warrior to show me the light, hence not use warrior skills that use energy unless it's needed, so the energy could be focused on the necro skills instead.

I have no exp playing w/n, but what about weaken armor?