Curse

Plastiqq · Nov 25, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Hey everyone. I'm new here.

I searched but I didn't really find much so...

Does anyone know a good N/M build for PvP?

I'm avoiding Minion Master builds, but one that I have particular interest in is:

Debuff/Smite (I heard smiting skills are really powerful at high levels)

I am really open to anything surrounding N/M whether that be a support character or not.

Please share your knowledge.
Thank you.

jesh · Nov 25, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

If you already know what you want to do, just do it? Look at the skill list, it isn't crazy hard to come up with a build.

12 blood
12 curses
11 smite

Smite Hex
Rend Enchantments
Lingering Curse {E}
Strip Enchantment
Chilblains/Open slot
Balthazar's Aura
Convert Hexes

Might want to throw in Offering of Blood in there instead, and raise SR, but you get the idea. Just pick some skills you like. *shrug*

Plastiqq · Nov 25, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Thank you.

Sorry, I'm just not really familiar with necro and monk skills and stat distribution.

jesh · Nov 25, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

We have a skill listing here:

boing

As for distribution, it just depends what you want to be most effective. In general, curses doesn't need to be that high except for two skills: Rend Enchantments and Spiteful Spirit. Rend is always nice when it's higher, but it's somewhat of a luxury. If you find yourself running out of energy a lot, probably lower that and put it in Soul reaping.. though the effects are minimal in pvp.

Put points in what you feel should be highest.

Plastiqq · Nov 25, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I have GWFreaks so it helps a lot.

Thank you very much for the help, you have made it much easier on me.

My only question is, what should I use for me last slot? I was thinking vampiric touch just to be able to grab some health but...

Do you have any suggestions?

LightningHell · Nov 26, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Vampiric Gaze would be nice. If you don't have it already.

Patrograd · Nov 26, 2005, 11:31 AM // 11:31

I have seen a couple of good uses for a N/Mo in HoH

One is as a backup prot using fast cast spam prot skills (reversal etc) as well as corpse control (profane, consume, putrid) in addition to tainted.

The other is as a 'hidden' bonder. Ok, it wont fool the better teams, but you'd be surprised how long it takes teams to spot that the bonds are held by the necro sometimes. Nice energy regain from a high soul reaping attribute too. Team with a pure healer and a boon prot for best effect.

Have seen both of these played to great effect

NatalieD · Nov 26, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

If you already know what you want to do, just do it? Look at the skill list, it isn't crazy hard to come up with a build.

12 blood
12 curses
11 smite

Smite Hex
Rend Enchantments
Lingering Curse {E}
Strip Enchantment
Chilblains/Open slot
Balthazar's Aura
Convert Hexes

Might want to throw in Offering of Blood in there instead, and raise SR, but you get the idea. Just pick some skills you like. *shrug*

I... man. That's really overloaded on enchantment and hex removal, if you ask me. And... three 25e skills with no energy management?

Plastiqq · Nov 26, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrograd

I have seen a couple of good uses for a N/Mo in HoH

One is as a backup prot using fast cast spam prot skills (reversal etc) as well as corpse control (profane, consume, putrid) in addition to tainted.

The other is as a 'hidden' bonder. Ok, it wont fool the better teams, but you'd be surprised how long it takes teams to spot that the bonds are held by the necro sometimes. Nice energy regain from a high soul reaping attribute too. Team with a pure healer and a boon prot for best effect.

Have seen both of these played to great effect

That sounds real interested, except I'm not sure what a bonder is.

Both of those sound really interesting. Can anyone go over them briefly?

I'm sorry for my constant questions...
Thank you.

jesh · Nov 26, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatalieD

I... man. That's really overloaded on enchantment and hex removal, if you ask me. And... three 25e skills with no energy management?

Hehe I didn't even look at the energy costs. Besides, I said what to do if there's a need for energy. More like a list of skills to look into, I suppose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plastiqq

That sounds real interested, except I'm not sure what a bonder is.

Both of those sound really interesting. Can anyone go over them briefly?

I'm sorry for my constant questions...
Thank you.

A bonder is someone who maintains Life Bond on everyone and usually uses Blessed Signet/Balthazar's Spirit to keep up energy. However with no DF, you'd have to rely on Soul Reaping and OoB, probably.
For the first build, not so sure, but probably something like this.

Tainted Flesh {E}
Necrotic Traversal/Putrid Explosion/Consume Corpse (bloodstained boots)
Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Mend Ailment
Shielding Hands? Protective Spirit?
Smite Hex/Convert

And probably tons of SR since the elite is taken up with Tainted Flesh.

jesh · Nov 26, 2005, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Oops.. delete this.

Plastiqq · Nov 26, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Hehe I didn't even look at the energy costs. Besides, I said what to do if there's a need for energy. More like a list of skills to look into, I suppose.

A bonder is someone who maintains Life Bond on everyone and usually uses Blessed Signet/Balthazar's Spirit to keep up energy. However with no DF, you'd have to rely on Soul Reaping and OoB, probably.
For the first build, not so sure, but probably something like this.

Tainted Flesh {E}
Necrotic Traversal/Putrid Explosion/Consume Corpse (bloodstained boots)
Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Mend Ailment
Shielding Hands? Protective Spirit?
Smite Hex/Convert

And probably tons of SR since the elite is taken up with Tainted Flesh.

That sounds cool. I never realized SR helps energy regen in PVP, I thought it was so minimal that it was just disreguarded.

So for this build I'm probably looking at Death magic, SR, and Protection Prayers?

Vexed Arcanist · Nov 26, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plastiqq

That sounds cool. I never realized SR helps energy regen in PVP, I thought it was so minimal that it was just disreguarded.

So for this build I'm probably looking at Death magic, SR, and Protection Prayers?

I had a N/Mo condition remover. 1 version ran Prot and Healing with Plague Signet, the other was Curses with Plague Signet.

12 Healing Prayers
11 Protection Prayers
3+1+1 Curses

Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Orison of Healing (the weakest spell in this build)
Healing Breeze
Plague Signet
Draw Conditions
Vigorous Spirit or something, I forget now
Res Sig

The curses version you just run your favorite curse build but use Plague Signet as your elite and Draw Conditions from the monk side. In this version you run some Blood skills for utility.

Mark of Pain
Suffering
Vampiric Gaze
Plague Signet
Draw Conditions
Strip Enchantment
Rend Enchantments
Res Sig

12+1+3 Curses
12+1 Blood
rest +1 in Soul Reaping

Xue Yi Liang · Nov 26, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Keep in mind that the kind of build you use is only a small part of the equation - the rest is up to your personal skills and knowing how to use that build. Some of my favorite builds are absolutely useless unless you know how to use them. On the other hand, some people have some very effective builds that would probably be useless in my hands - at least in the beginning - without knowing how to play them.

If you just want to run a copy-cat build without much PvP experience you'll likely be pretty disappointed. If you want to understand your style of play or the rationale behind certain builds the best thing I can suggest is to just play lots of PvP.

- why not? it's free.

Put simply ... owning a Ferarri doesn't make you a professional driver. If you don't even have a learner's permit you can't expect to win races.

Plastiqq · Nov 26, 2005, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

Keep in mind that the kind of build you use is only a small part of the equation - the rest is up to your personal skills and knowing how to use that build. Some of my favorite builds are absolutely useless unless you know how to use them. On the other hand, some people have some very effective builds that would probably be useless in my hands - at least in the beginning - without knowing how to play them.

If you just want to run a copy-cat build without much PvP experience you'll likely be pretty disappointed. If you want to understand your style of play or the rationale behind certain builds the best thing I can suggest is to just play lots of PvP.

- why not? it's free.

Put simply ... owning a Ferarri doesn't make you a professional driver. If you don't even have a learner's permit you can't expect to win races.

That is absolutely true. I can handle using elementalists and mesmers in PVP but I have never used a monk in my life so I have no idea what I'm doing.

Only way to learn is through experience, thats what im going to do.