Curse

infernal · Nov 02, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Sorry if this has already been discussed!

Just curious how the order runs for Hex stacking vs. Hex Removals.

If a necro slaps:
1. Faintheartedness
2. Life Transfer
3. Weaken Armor
..on a warrior in that order, and the warrior (W/Mo) counters with Smite Hex, which one of the three is removed?

Is it the first one put on him or he last one? Is it *gasp* random?

Thanks in advance,
Infernal Prophet

Bugeater · Nov 02, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

The last one cast is the first one off. So you cast the good hex that you want on the target, then some crappy hex that you don't care gets removed (i.e. a "cover hex").

infernal · Nov 02, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Ha! Thanks Bugsy!

So now it looks like it's a race between the monk and hex-caster whether the monk can get the hex off faster than he gets hit with another hex!

That's awesome!

JYX · Nov 02, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Not quite. Both hexes and enchants have the ultimate removers, rend/lingering or convert. For damage mitigation its a bad idea to invest too heavily on either side to win that "race" as you speak. You will pretty much ALWAYS outhex that monk with just a few. Parasitic Bond is a hex, 5 energy, 1 cast, 2 recharge. That thing on its own will beat off your regular removes, and a ~90 point heal for 5 energy on the side isn't bad.

Jetdoc · Nov 03, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by infernal

..on a warrior in that order, and the warrior (W/Mo) counters with Smite Hex, which one of the three is removed?

Purge Signet ftw!

heist23 · Nov 03, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Purge signet for teh lose...:P i don't want to lose 10 energy per hex....

Necros and mesmers will always win the race. hexes can be casted faster than any monk can possibly remove them. Remove Hex has a 2 second cast time and takes 7 seconds to recharge. Smite Hex has a 1 second cast time, but takes 15 seconds to recharge. Purge Signet...shouldn't be used unless you have some serious energy management.

and then there's convert hex. 15 energy to "convert" every necromancer hex that comes your way into +10 armor. i personally think that's beautiful.

NatalieD · Nov 03, 2005, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by heist23

Purge signet for teh lose...:P i don't want to lose 10 energy per hex....

Necros and mesmers will always win the race. hexes can be casted faster than any monk can possibly remove them. Remove Hex has a 2 second cast time and takes 7 seconds to recharge. Smite Hex has a 1 second cast time, but takes 15 seconds to recharge. Purge Signet...shouldn't be used unless you have some serious energy management.

You forgot Holy Veil. 1 second cast, 10 second recharge! And I think Purge Signet is really meant for no-energy w/mo builds, much like Succor and Holy Wrath.

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and then there's convert hex. 15 energy to "convert" every necromancer hex that comes your way into +10 armor. i personally think that's beautiful.

I doubt the armor thing is anyone's reason for taking it...

heist23 · Nov 03, 2005, 08:34 AM // 08:34

well, you're right. +30 armor for a Life Transfer, Parasitic Bond and Life Siphon isn't that great and in the end probably won't affect you in the endgame, but i still think it's a great skill. especially when Mr. Necro starts stacking hexes anyway.

Holy Veil...it's an interesting skill, but in my opinion is there to help interrupt the hexes that are trying to be cast. i have to experiment with this skill a little more...

JYX · Nov 03, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by heist23

well, you're right. +30 armor for a Life Transfer, Parasitic Bond and Life Siphon isn't that great and in the end probably won't affect you in the endgame, but i still think it's a great skill. especially when Mr. Necro starts stacking hexes anyway.

Its a ~40% damage reduction. That tbh will affect you endgame. Though 3 hexes, especially Parasitic, Life Siphon and Life Transfer aren't that great and you can well push through the pain with a couple of heals; which no doubt you were getting at. The recharge isn't great, which means instead of just casual removal you should call yourself for removal over TS.

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Originally Posted by heist23

Holy Veil...it's an interesting skill, but in my opinion is there to help interrupt the hexes that are trying to be cast. i have to experiment with this skill a little more...

It's a decent hex remover, just apply it and remove it. You can also just apply them before a match and remove them straight away if you're certain you're going to be fighting hexers. Whatever floats your boat, its quite the util skill.

Divine Kai · Nov 08, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I have done some experimenting , Vs certain Necro/Mesmer ; what I like to call wildcards* , in conjunction with other standard high played pvp builds...

Do not count Contemplation Of Purity out ; I'll just let you think on that one for now.

heist23 · Nov 08, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

contemplation of purity should work well with a skill like reversal of fortune....

Almighty Zi · Nov 08, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

If you are maintaining holy veil then use contemplation of purity, that should remove 2 hexes (plus one condition), right?

heist23 · Nov 10, 2005, 03:36 AM // 03:36

right. good skill combo.

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Nov 10, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

Go Contemplation of purity!
RoF, guardian, divine boon=heal around 230, remove 3 hexes and conditions.

Ollj · Nov 14, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

never tombs without convert hex.
there is always that funny team that casts 5-7 necromancer hexes on one monk, and even 2 necro hexes and one mesmer hex is enough to use it.

monk screasms for "convert hexes" and enjoys god mode.