Curse

Gh0sT · May 30, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Howling Wind

People rate the zealous string so highly... don't the -1 regen annoy ppl? Constant energy degenaration, the only time i see it is really good is when you couple it with barrage but then again a vampiric string seems great in that situation too but yet they don't favour it much..

Well you dont get energy DEGEN you just get lesser energy gain...

Instead of 3 arrows of energy gain, you get 2 arrows (that translates from 3 energy in 3 seconds to 2 energy in 3 seconds)...

But with a shortbow + tigers fury, you fire almost 2 times in those 3 seconds, thus gaining back 2 energy... so in the end you almost always end up with a 4 arrow energy gain... THATS the advantage of zealous...

And then im not even talking about coupling it with barrage...

As for the vampiric... ur totally off, vampiric can only give a maximum of 5 health per shot (highest mod ive seen), which is nice, but doesnt make it compared to the zealous string...

Rangers need the energy, energy bar is only 31 (with druids armor) and health bar can reach over 500...
gaining 1 energy is gaining 1/31st of your energy back, whereas gaining health only gives 5/500 = 1/100th of your health back...

And like i said, if you really dont care about the Zealous bowstring i see absolutely NO reason why not to take an elemental bowstring...
IMO its either elemental, zealous and maybe poiseners and vampiric but mainly the first 2...
All the others are "10% chance of" strings which i totally hate, id rather take a string of which i know it always works then a string which gives me a small boast for 1 per 10 shots...

This is also exaclty the reason why i dont get the orriginal poster made such a fuzz about this... he doenst mention anywhere that he wants another bowstring, if it was a post that he's angry because he always liked the zealous (or anohter string), and didnt like the idea of that ... OK ... it would make sence... but now he is just cursing at a bowstring without telling why he doesnt want it...

And to reply to this:

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And yes, I'm doing this due to ANET'S decision because if they DIDN'T nerf conjure, I'd be fine. I'm not going to complain but I do want people to stop thinking that I am.

Mate i could be wrong, but i think Anet nerfed this in the last beta already, that would make it YOUR fault... if you would only have informed urself better, then to just pick a build you would have known that you needed a elemental bowstring for conjure element.... So dont shove the blame to Anet...

I myself dont like the nerf neither i must admit, but they did it for good reasons, conjure + zealous string + tigers fury + barrage was just too powerful and that completely made the warrior build useless...

Xellos · May 30, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Who's weak to lightning damage? Warriors.

Wrong. Some lightning skills have armour penetration, therefore since it's a % works best on warriors. You still do much more damage on a caster then a warrior, just that you can actually dent a warrior now.

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From what I've seen, the 60 dmg from the Frozen Burst will be toned down, that's a given, but the 60 + 25% armor penetration from the Lightning Touch should double over.

I'm confused. How would Frozen Burst be affected by Lightning Touch other then the double damage of LT itself? The cold damage is still going to be crap.

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Flatbows have an obscene range from all the bows I've tested and since their rate of fire is well known to be crap.

If you bothered to read the chart, you'd see that flatbows have the fastest attack rate, yet the most pathetic trajectory, therefore making it a arch bow. It's too easily dodgable for flat ground.

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This ranger shouldn't do a single normal shot at all and just chain-fire all of his special skills back to back.

No rangers using a bow relies on normal shots ever. Everyone machine gun spams their skills. That's why expertise is so valued.

Yukito Kunisaki · May 30, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Btw, mr. smart mouth, I do read the charts here, but the fact is, the flatbow's high arch / range means that the arrow hits the target way later.

It's rate of fire is fast but the fact that it catapults the arrow higher and farther than normal negates its 'fast firing rate'.

I'm glad lots of helpful people gave input but these smart mouths don't know me so they should just shut up.

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Wait a second, that longbow data and flatbow data is off. [from what I've tested / witnessed 2 days ago]

When I was firing my flatbow at an enemy then switched to my longbow, my ranger took a whole 4 steps before refiring... Longbow's range is either not accurate or something's up.

It's not a bug I'm sure for I was firing at the same enemy at different distances when I shot both bows. Enemy wasn't moving...

Howling Wind · May 31, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Hmm, range of flatbows and longbows should be same, if longbow range is gone down then that is totally wrong, longbow should always have the longest range (hence longbow..)

Btw since you like damaged dealing have you thought of using earth magic? like obsidian flame and crystal wave that ignore defence completely? Its not a bad choice with some protective spells to aid as well.

If you really wanna be ritualits then you can combine favorable winds + winnowing that combine for an extra 10dmg per hit (physical) but relying on too many rituals isn't really good, first of they take precious skills slots and can be easily destroyed. On the other hand effect range and lasting time is very high so you can cast it somehwere afar and hope nobody gets to it :P

Trapper is good, its an effective way to protect your self from warriors, you can put 2 traps in front of you and when the warriors comes after you he may unknowlingly step on it and boom you get the advantage while he takes dmg and suffers from conditions. But you have to place them in a way that he is likely to step on it, it will really suck if he avoids it. Also don't raise your beastmastery too high for tigers fury, just leave it at 4 or 6 to get 7 or 8 seconds of lasting time, which is good and with quickenying zephyr you can have constant tigers fury..nice.

About the zealous...might give it a shot, now that I have a really good rare shortbow and love to spam tigers fury all the time :P
Vampiric isn't that bad too, barrage could you net you an average 20hp per shot, combine that with monk skills enchantments like live vicarously + mending then you got urself 30+ hp per shot and 3 pip health regen + tigers fury is even better (for PvE situations that is, in PvP it will probably taken care of quite quickly..sad).

Btw ppl say expertise helps skill recharge..is this true? I can't really tell the difference.

Typhoon · May 31, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Btw, mr. smart mouth, I do read the charts here, but the fact is, the flatbow's high arch / range means that the arrow hits the target way later.

Not if you stand closer to the target..

Yukito Kunisaki · May 31, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Typhoon

Not if you stand closer to the target..

Oh that's good, a sniper shooting REALLY CLOSE to the enemy...

^_^

I liked that idea about going Earth Magic. Yes I like damage and yes, distance is my goal with this build. [then again, aren't all bow rangers supposed to play like that? :\] Ah, this game's possibilities...

*runs to character simulator

ICURADik · Jun 02, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Screw all this crappy build stuff... Just get Zealous String with Greater Conflag... anyone who has actually used barrage knows that it doesn't really work too well unless the enemies are really close. Having Greater Conflag will allow you to use conjure flame, and give you incredible defense if you are wearing drakescale. Then add in some Kindle Arrows, Tigers Fury and Favorable Winds and you are a machine. Don't forget the good ol throw dirt, penetrating attack, and whirling defense and you got yourself a powerful build for pve, that can easily be modified for more usefulness in pvp. If you want you can switch out penetrating for dual shot and kindle for ignite for more AoE goodness.

The Zealous string will also allow you to have slightly lower expertise...5 or 6 and pump Fire/Wilderness higher for more damage.

Yukito Kunisaki · Jun 02, 2005, 09:19 AM // 09:19

'crappy build stuff'?

How open minded you are. I originally planned a build to use Mark of Rodgort with Conjure Flame... Oh yeah very original...

Am I not allowed to do something different? I was hoping to make this thread with the idea people would help improve the build... NOT change it all together to another totally different build. Or scrap the build...

I chose ice, my g/f chose air. There's an air skill that complements an ice skill. It's a nice teamwork tactic. Teams are good, I hope...

Spirit Firefly · Jun 02, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Yes but 2 man teams aren't. Gl with taking down 4 w/mo with ur tactics or even 1 mo. I know for a fact that as soon as you think you are going to nuke me up goes protective spirit and you honestly think im going to stand still while anything with an E in it runs up next to me?

Enigmatics · Jul 01, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Does that mean stormbow's range has dropped with long bow? Cause then I'm screwed. By the way, what is this affixation for not spending 800 gold for 16 added damage per hit? Would you buy a 19-31 bow for 800 gold?