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tektonik · Apr 30, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Just add where you see bosses and what elites they use.

Status on SoC unlocking: YES IT WORKS GO GO GO
Status on retro active fix: negative

Dragon's Lair(Quest after ascension:5 zones each with its own dragon and an elite.
Facet of Strength: Gladiator Defence
The necro one: Greneth's Balance
Elementalist: Lightning Surge
Monk: shield of regen
Mesmer: Mantra of Recall
Ranger: Don't know died too fast and spammed pin down

Mines mission after Droknar:
Random 2 boss spawn in the frozen river :
Monk:Mark of Protection
War: Dwarven Battle Stance
War: Cleave

D'leassion Seaboard: Don't know where in it
Monk: Healing Hands

necroth · Apr 30, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

There is a Char Boss that uses hundred blades (I think he is in the Breach Mission).

I think trying to use SoC for getting hundred blades would be a waste of time since hundred blades has no casting time while SoC has 2 sec casting.

Pinkus · May 01, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51

The monk one you said you forgot is shield of regen.

I've also found mist form and illusionary weapon. Hint, they can be found AFTER you ascend.

tektonik · May 01, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Thanks for the add in. Be more specific for the other 2 IW is not that good lol.

Jobias · May 01, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Regarding elites with no casting times, (I don't know if this has changed, but it was true previously) after using SoC it capture the NEXT used skill that you don't have. Sooo... if you have all the skills that boss uses except for the elite, when it uses the elite you will get it.

Or so it used to be. I'm pvp'ing right now, and so can't quite test it

tektonik · May 01, 2005, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Yeah how I found DBS is a mistake i went to hit sprint to the boss but hit SOC low and behold he used it right when we agro'd him evedent;y and I captured it as he ran to us.

Xellos · May 01, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

This has to be one of the dumbest moves ever. What is the point of having skill > time, when a PVP-made character can't even fully test out the skills it needs, let alone use it in real combat. High damage swordsman, Lightning elementalist, whatever, almost every build around here has a elite on it. Are they really expecting people to waste all that time to level up/get skills just to stay competitive?

This game has gone for the worse in terms of flexibility, it was a good system before, now it's just rigged. It's a cheesy way to make people go "play this game more until our expansion hits". There's no other reason for this.

SoC is already a crappy system, but making it the only way to get elites on one char and only one char alone is cutting in. Awell, so much for casual PVP. Back to $$$$$$

cpukilla · May 01, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

I don't get it, builds only have ONE elite skill in them. So for your special build all you need to do is use the SoC once. No, you can't test out your builds well, I hope they have something to improve that in the future but I don't agree that needing to SoC an elite makes it a grind game.

Xellos · May 01, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Just once? So your going to succeed 100% of the time? Your somehow going to find it within the time you are alotted with in real life? There are many things that make it horrible, but the biggest main problem is the fact that PVP characters cannot unlock them.

Say you get 100 blades. Then you decide you no longer want to RP with a warrior anymore. You delete it. Now your guild wants the warrior again, what do you do? Oh sucks to be you.

The unlocking system allowed people to have 3 RP characters, and 1 switcher at will for PVP. Now the elite system has been implemented with SoC, the PVP character is a novelty. Every time you have to build up a seperate primary, you have to do it from scratch. Or, if you want to switch, you have to do the 2nd profession quest change quest, and I don't even know if you can do that more then once.

What's the point of PVP character if it cannot have what a RP character has? Isn't that the point of unlocking in the first place?

tektonik · May 01, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

you can capture more than one elite?

OrangeArrow · May 01, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

word of healing
order of the vampire
marksman wager
etheral reneweal
can all be SoC in Elona Reach Mission
in the cystal desert

Xma · May 01, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Paste of post i started in Q&A yesterday :

As far as we know, the elite skills are no longer available via trainer nor via quest rewards.
The only way seems to be to capture them from bosses using them.

So the goal is to make a list of the Elite skills used by the different bosses in the various areas.

<SKILL> : <AREA> (<NAME OF BOSS>)

Name of boss isn't essential, but better if you know it

I will need your input on the ones you find, but PLEASE, only reliable information. If you're not sure about one, please check it before posting.

Waiting for your input, guys

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Cleave : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Marka Granitehand)

Devastating Hammer : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Martigris The Stalwart), Thunderhead Keep (Perfected Armor)

Dwarven Battle Stance : Iron Mines Of Moladune (?)

Ether Renewal : Elona Reach (?)

Gladiator Defence: Dragon's Lair (?)

Grenth's Balance : : Dragon's Lair (?)

Healing Hands : D'Alessio Seaboard (Muga Riptide)

Illusionary Weaponry : Talus Chute (?), Iron Mines Of Moladune (Dirko Mustalker)

Life Transfer : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Feodor the Baneful)

Lighting Surge : Dragon's Lair (?)

Mantra of Recall : Dragon's Lair (?)

Mark Of Protection : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Lokar Icemender), Thunderhead Keep (Bolis Hillshaker)

Marksman Wager : Elona Reach (?)

Melandru's arrows : Thunderhead Keep (Ulhar Stonehound)

Mind Freeze : Witman's Folly (?)

Mist Form : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Eidolon)

Order of Pain : Ettin's Back (Kenric the Believer)

Order of The Vampire : Elona Reach (?)

Poison arrow : Witman's Folly (?)

Shield Of Regeneration : Dragon's Lair (?)

Signet of Judgment : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Balt Duskrider)

Spiteful Spirit : Iron Mines Of Moladune (Ceru Gloomrunner)

Thunderclap : Iron Mines Of Moladune (?), Thunderhead Keep (Chrysos The Magnetic)

Virulence : Ettin's Back (Flaw Rootplague)

Water Trident : Ice Caves (Berg Frozenfist)

Word of Healing : Elona Reach (?)

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Blight And Ruin · May 01, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

So, correct me if I am wrong here.

1.) Currently Elite Skills can *only* be captured from bosses who use them by using a Signet of Capture.
2.) Additionally, the Primary or Secondary Profession of the user of the SoC must match the class of the Elite Skill in order to Capture it.
3.) Once Captured by one character on an account, the Elite Skill becomes available on the other characters on the account so long as they have the correct class or profession available.

Is that right?

dorn · May 01, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos

There are many things that make it horrible, but the biggest main problem is the fact that PVP characters cannot unlock them.

Just curious here but what do you mean? Using signet of capture should unlock the skill for PvP chars. So if you go around with a PvE char and unlock elites they will stay unlocked on your account and you will be able to use them on PvP chars yes?

It sounds like what your really annoyed about is that they took out the ability to unlock -all- skills with the checkbox that they were allowing for the beta?

cpukilla · May 01, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

If SoC no longer unlocks the skill for the entire account then that is a concern. I thought it did, can this be confirmed?

OrangeArrow · May 01, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I captured WoH and its not unlocked for me on new chars

May 01, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

the whole elite skills system is just bad :/
Just look at the boards, we have people going around thinking that because something is elite then that makes it good

Xma · May 01, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Did people read the first post ?

Status on SoC unlocking: NEXT BUILD (which should be done already, got 2 builds since i read this)

Xellos · May 01, 2005, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpukilla

If SoC no longer unlocks the skill for the entire account then that is a concern. I thought it did, can this be confirmed?

Considered it confirmed by the thousands who got pissed. Real bad. This system blows.

Quote:

the whole elite skills system is just bad :/

Elite skill system may be bad, but it's tolerable at least. The new unlockable SoC system though? Can anyone say GRIND? Balance will never be perfect anyways, but going against the CORE design is a joke. Might as well put "we are competing with World of Warcraft and are catering to that audience. I can't see any other reason. Course, I could be wrong

I hope I am and get enlightened soon with some godly reason.

Strycker · May 01, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Its pretty bad, I dont look forward to runnin the same misison repeatadly tryin to obtain Healign Hands.