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Jagged · Jan 03, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

I really love Secret Lair, it looks like AOE heaven. Any recommendations for good Hero AOE builds that will clean out the place on HM?

Masta Panda · Jan 03, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

vekk/zhed FTW! SH or SF works wonders with searing and tenais heat along with rodgorts

Pyro maniac · Jan 03, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

[skill]Mind Blast[/skill] + [skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill]

MercenaryKnight · Jan 04, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

I just go with 3 sf heroes. Nothing special, I am myself a paragon so bringing defensive anthem, they're on fire, save yourselves etc. helps.

Basically just bring fire builds and enough defense to survive a few volleys of snowballs and your set. The snowmen will melt in seconds.

bobtheveg · Jan 04, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Works quite well.

Acolyte/Zhed/Vekk

[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Karei's Healing Circle[/skill][skill]Restore Life[/skill]
Fire Magic: 12+1+3
Energy Storage: 8+1
Healing Magic: 10

Tyla · Jan 04, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by bobtheveg

Works quite well.

Acolyte/Zhed/Vekk

[skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Karei's Healing Circle[/skill][skill]Restore Life[/skill]
Fire Magic: 12+1+3
Energy Storage: 8+1
Healing Magic: 10

Rodgorts Invoke on an SF bar?

Anyway, to the OP: R/Rt splinter barrage? just making sure you are microing it ofc.
If not, mindblast/rodgorts is the way to go

MercenaryKnight · Jan 04, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

I am starting to think mindblast + rodgorts would be better. Better e-management and you should probably make 2 eles e/mo and bring aegis to chain manually because it's kind of easy to get spiked gown by snowballs. And yes aegis should work on snowballs because when I used a paragon with defensive anthem it blocked 50% of them.

Jagged · Jan 04, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Thanks, i'll check these out. I was also using [skill]Winds[/skill] (Vanguard Rep, 15% miss on ranged)

EmptySkull · Jan 04, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I use this.

[skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]leech signet[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

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Fire magic 12 Energy storage 10 Inspiration magic 8 (+whatever runes you have)

I'm a ele so I bring 2 more ele hero's and a healer monk hero. But you can bring 3 ele's and do whatever as a paragon and keep them alive easily.

Xylia · Jan 04, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by EmptySkull

[skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]Searing Flames[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]leech signet[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

I would drop the glyph for another aoe damage skill, maybe [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. With the mantra, energy management isn't going to be an issue.

EmptySkull · Jan 04, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Xylia

I would drop the glyph for another aoe damage skill, maybe [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. With the mantra, energy management isn't going to be an issue.

Yeah you could add [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki] for hardmode. But in NM they go down faster than [insert funny sexual inuendo here

], so really you only need [skill=text]searing flames[/skill].

Really to make sure the hero is spamming [skill=text]searing flames[/skill] just bring:

[skill]searing flames[/skill][skill]fire attunement[/skill][skill]mantra of frost[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

That is probably the best skill bar for a hero in that dungeon for NM lol.

edit: Actually thinking about it. I remember why I chose to take [wiki]glyph of lesser energy[/wiki] instead of [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] or [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki]. During the time it takes to cast [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] and recharge, you could cast [skill=text]searing flames[/skill] 2 times. 2 times the damage. + 2 times the length of burning. With [wiki]Liquid Flame[/wiki] it's even worse 16 total seconds for that skill I got searing flames casted 5 times in that period. And that's a whole lot more damage. So yeah I will stick with my original build for HM in my first post.

O and BTW Did anyone notice how [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] is wrong. It shows an old 15 sec recharge instead of 5 seconds?

Xylia · Jan 04, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by EmptySkull

O and BTW Did anyone notice how [wiki]Rodgort's Invocation[/wiki] is wrong. It shows an old 15 sec recharge instead of 5 seconds?

The casting time is also wrong - it is a 2s casting time, which means you can cast it while SF is recharging. From experience my heroes seem to do more damage with Rodgort's + SF than with SF alone, as long as you have some way to mitigate the energy cost.

I rarely do the run in NM anymore, but really any build with a collection of AoE skills and a little healing would work, I imagine.

Zena Starlight · Jan 06, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

So should you be using 3 SF eles for NM?

angmar_nite · Jan 06, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Me SF plus 3 SF's always find ourselves overwhelmed in HM, with cynn, two monks, and herta.

Marverick · Jan 06, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Rodgorts Invoke on an SF bar?

It actually works quite well with [skill=text]Auspicious Incantation[/skill].

mage767 · Jan 06, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Don't fool yourselves.

Savannah Heat + Tenai's Heat + Searing Heat + Breath of Fire + Firestorm WORKS BEST.

Why? Because Snowman hardly move under AOE. This works for HM like a charm.

MercenaryKnight · Jan 07, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

Me SF plus 3 SF's always find ourselves overwhelmed in HM, with cynn, two monks, and herta.

Try bringing some party wide protection, if your going with another person defensive anthem paragon or 2 chars with aegis chain can be quite helpful. Aegis should block snowballs because I know from personal experience defensive anthem does.

You could always bring 2 e/mo mindblast+rodgorts since the energy is never an issue you could bring aegis on 2 of them.

chowmein69 · Jan 07, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Savannah Heat and a few more AOE fire skills is all you need + some protection

spun ducky · Jan 07, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Try bringing some party wide protection, if your going with another person defensive anthem paragon or 2 chars with aegis chain can be quite helpful. Aegis should block snowballs because I know from personal experience defensive anthem does.

You could always bring 2 e/mo mindblast+rodgorts since the energy is never an issue you could bring aegis on 2 of them.

It is not possible to block the snowballs that matter as those are spells and of a interesting note they are non water dmg since mantra of frost will not trigger on the spell. It is also interesting that their actual wand attacks are water dmg and stormchaser does trigger on their spell attack as elemental just not as water. I haven't spent the time yet to check which element the spell attack is exactly but it could be tested easily with the mantras of X element.

Yarghetaus · Jan 07, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Sab's build too works pretty fine here