Curse

bungusmaximus · Feb 15, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by bhavv

My hero monks are fine and 100% better then henchies with the builds I give them. I just wish they could use power drain on passive mode.

Don't need, just take eve along, shell fuel your monk heroes with BR. I never use home without either her or a custom made battery hero. Dunkoro and Tahlkore think energy management is some sort of foreign food, and they don't like foreign food :P

Faer · Feb 15, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

current monk hero skills:

I would suggest you swap those builds around, as, in my experience at least, Tahlkora makes a better Protection Monk than a Healer, and the reverse is also true about Dunkoro.

Admael · Feb 16, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by Faer

I would suggest you swap those builds around, as, in my experience at least, Tahlkora makes a better Protection Monk than a Healer, and the reverse is also true about Dunkoro.

That's not true, both have the same AI.
I think it mainly depends on what profession you use on your character.

On my ranger, both my monks are set to passive and on my elementalist, both the monks are set to defend. On hex heavy maps, the monk (either or) will use revealed hex and inspired hex for energy management, on regular maps my ranger will swap out Tahlkora's(healing) hex removal for glyph of lesser energy and vigorous spirit. On my elementalist, on both Dunkoro and Tahlkora will use both hex removals as well, and on regular maps, both monks will swap out one hex removal for channeling (since they are on defend on my elementalist, they will not reposition away from monsters unless they are being attacking heavily)

Females heal, males protect. Simple ethology. Thats why most of us setup our heroes the way we do, contrary to how they were initially setup.

bilateralrope · Feb 16, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by strcpy

(just not very good damage wise as can not go above 12 in a skill).

Try sticking runes on your heroes armor.

Hengis · Feb 16, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Is it just me, or has Dunkero been particularly stupid the last few days?

I have never had amny issues with him before. OK, so the AI may not be perfect, but it is generally more than good enough.

Yesterday however, I had him playing his usual WoH build, and all he would do was spam Orison of Healing on everyone until he ran out of energy, or died. He didn't even use the conditions removal on himself, and seemed reluctant to heal himself even when down to 25% health and with plenty of energy available.

I have not seen him play this badly before.

strcpy · Feb 17, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Try sticking runes on your heroes armor.

OMG - who would'a think it!

When you can figure out how to apply ele runes to Tahlkora (a monk), get back to me. Until then she can not do decent damage due to not being able to get an ele attribute line above 12 (though setting her skill bar up as one does demonstrate the point I was making - she also has the same AI as the two ele's and mirrors their skill usage with the same skill bar).

Reading comprehension FTW!!!

lundis · Feb 17, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I usually bring tahlkora as prot monk and then just the healer hench.. that works fine for me.. and it doesn't matter if the healer hench dies, tahlkora can keep the party alive alone..
DMG reduction ftw: shielding hands, shield of absorption and life sheath

lundis · Feb 17, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by strcpy

OMG - who would'a think it!

When you can figure out how to apply ele runes to Tahlkora (a monk), get back to me. Until then she can not do decent damage due to not being able to get an ele attribute line above 12 (though setting her skill bar up as one does demonstrate the point I was making - she also has the same AI as the two ele's and mirrors their skill usage with the same skill bar).

Reading comprehension FTW!!!

lol if you want a SF ele then don't use tahlkora.. give the build to zhed or sousuke

Btw I usually have 2 SF ele heroes when i play, and the difference is:
zhed's energy is 20
sousuke's energy is 68
(it's ALWAYS like that so it's not just a coincidence)
Now that this mean that sousuke isn't aggressive at all OR is he a pro at using the energy management skills?

hmm i realized this is offtopic but i just wanted to say it..

Amy Awien · Feb 17, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

I think strcpy's point was that the heroes all share the same AI-code / behaviour and setting up Tahlkora as an ele was part of the experiment.

strcpy · Feb 18, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

I think strcpy's point was that the heroes all share the same AI-code / behaviour and setting up Tahlkora as an ele was part of the experiment.

You win the prize - but since you stuck an extra "u" in behavior you are not eligible to receive it.

It would be so much simpler if people actually payed attention to what has been said, much more fun to spend time on what is important: American vs European spelling

stuntharley · Feb 18, 2007, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Hero's tend to spam energy skills even if you give them sig of devotion =( I'd say the henchmen are better but the heroes are good for a changeable build instantly which is what I like

Faer · Feb 18, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Admael

Females heal, males protect. Simple ethology.

Yarr, I parry with a fancy quoteback!

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Originally Posted by Admael

That's not true, both have the same AI.

And, I will quote myself, rather than repeating myself:

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Originally Posted by Faer

...in my experience at least...

My experiences be what they be, matey. What be true to one man mayn't be true to another, aye.

Yarrrr.

The5thSeraph · Feb 19, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by strcpy

You win the prize - but since you stuck an extra "u" in behavior you are not eligible to receive it.

It would be so much simpler if people actually payed attention to what has been said, much more fun to spend time on what is important: American vs European spelling

Correction: English vs american spelling.

Or to put it another way: Correct vs Bastardised spelling. ^_^
Behaviour has a "u" in it, and to leave that out would alter the pronounciation (or would you say "prononciation"?) and effectively change the word entirely.

That irrelevance aside, considering how much more effective my damage-dealing builds are than damaging henchies, I've decided to capitalise on them and use henchies for monking... whether or not my monk heroes are able to hold their own.

Perkunas · Feb 22, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by Faer

I would suggest you swap those builds around, as, in my experience at least, Tahlkora makes a better Protection Monk than a Healer, and the reverse is also true about Dunkoro.

I tend to agree with this statement. I have Dunk as healer and Tahl as Protector. I set my friend's up reversed. The skill bars are same healer to healer and prot to prot. My Heros keep us up better than when we use his in same areas.

Shady79 · Feb 22, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Look at this picture of a german guy:

...is a good example. This won't be possible with any level 20 npc healer. Heroes >>>> NPC (with the right skillbar)

senti monk of god · Mar 13, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

i /agree that hench's keep party alive alot easier then heros like said before heros just sit around sometimes when hench's r keeping up the pace. i just bring 3 mm heros for i can have a huge army and have 2 healer hench's

Mr Pink57 · Mar 13, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Why are any of you wasting your time on hero healers? Those hero spots should be filled with damage which the hench AI lacks... big time. You want some sort of damage mitigation use a paragon.

pink

Terraban · Mar 13, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

If your hero monks can't keep up with hench monks....

Then you sir, /fail.

Seriously...a Warrior with all monk skills heals better than hench monks.

Quru · Mar 13, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Terraban

If your hero monks can't keep up with hench monks....

Then you sir, /fail.

Seriously...a Warrior with all monk skills heals better than hench monks.

It really depends. i/e when i go dungeons, i take Hayda as support paragon, tahlkora as hybrid (LoD as elite) and for another monk Mhenlo. Mhenlo uses WoH kinda well so i can switch tahlkoras elite to something else.

blurmedia · Mar 13, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

didnt anyone else notice the 1year ress?