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Old Apr 12, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09   #21
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http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grothmar_Wardowns



That is one of the worst places for a Paragon in HM.
mind explaining the problem. I dont see a problem.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36   #22
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mind explaining the problem. I dont see a problem.
Uh...you were going to show me a non-mesmer build that vanquishes HM Grothmar Wardowns better with H/H?
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53   #23
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Uh...you were going to show me a non-mesmer build that vanquishes HM Grothmar Wardowns better with H/H?
and I did. you seem to think this area is hell. please explain why. nothing on the wiki page looks challenging.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28   #24
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and I did. you seem to think this area is hell. please explain why. nothing on the wiki page looks challenging.
Because the build you gave, failed and your team was wiped when they got off just outside town and hit the charrs.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40   #25
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I prefer the Pvxwiki Mesmer Interrupt hero build over BHA heroes. I've tested both extensively and the Mesmer came out on top in almost every situation. The only thing I've found the Ranger interrupters to be better at is interrupting monster skills. The Ranger heroes also seem to have a problem using Epidemic appropriately.

EDIT: @ Darkspirit, I haven't seen a thread about Mesmers in the Campfire section where Coloneh didn't say something to the order of. "Take out the Mesmer and replace it with X profession," or, "Mesmers fail in PVE." All I'm saying is consider the source, unless you just enjoy arguing with a brick wall - some do of course.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44   #26
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I prefer the Pvxwiki Mesmer Interrupt hero build over BHA heroes. I've tested both extensively and the Mesmer came out on top in almost every situation. The only thing I've found the Ranger interrupters to be better at is interrupting monster skills. The Ranger heroes also seem to have a problem using Epidemic appropriately.
Someone who understands, thank you very much.

All this talk about mesmers always having lower damage and always being weaker in PvE than any other classes, are from people who really dont understand mesmers.

Rac's paragon build is good but HM Grothmar Wardowns is just bad for his default build without major modifications and even with major modifications it was difficult. Double Flameshielder Aegis, Meteor Shower, Res Chant, Shatter Enchantment just work very well against his 3 Paragons, and OOP/DF build. A mesmer with [Cry of Pain] is more effective there.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55   #27
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It's infinitely easier to have one guy take all the damage rather than try to interrupt whole groups of eles. Yes, leach and drain interupts on N/Me, but I don't see the need for it if you have good flagging and pulling.
Prot spirit > wardowns.
Extinguish > Bad pulls.

I like the idea of assasin's promise recharging Pain Inverter though. Still, nothing mesmer-related there.
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Old Apr 12, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59   #28
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It's infinitely easier to have one guy take all the damage rather than try to interrupt whole groups of eles. Yes, leach and drain interupts on N/Me, but I don't see the need for it if you have good flagging and pulling.
Prot spirit > wardowns.
Extinguish > Bad pulls.
Good pulling is important but certain charrs that are designated to be within the same group, would be pulled along in HM.

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I like the idea of assasin's promise recharging Pain Inverter though. Still, nothing mesmer-related there.
[Cry of Pain] is a mesmer PvE skill, also [Shrinking Armor] and [Phantom Pain] which are used to trigger Cry. Then [Shatter Delusion] to cause deep wound then cracked armor. These are all mesmer skills and shattering [Phantom Pain] has been around as a well-known mesmer technique ever since prophecies time. Using [Assassin's Promise] on a mesmer is also not a brand new concept either, even many necro and ele builds have been using it since Factions. [Pain Inverter] is a new PvE skill but it is not even forming the main combo which is PP+CoP+SD+SA+CoP+SD which gives 342 armor ignoring damage, deep wound and cracked armor and 200 of which is AoE. It is just there for extra damage.

In other words, I am just rehashing an old mesmer build idea (previously called the "Painful Promise" mesmer build) with the new skills for HM.
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Old Apr 13, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59   #29
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Because the build you gave, failed and your team was wiped when they got off just outside town and hit the charrs.
did they forget to click on skills again? criptic arguments are just annoying and they dont get your point across.

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EDIT: @ Darkspirit, I haven't seen a thread about Mesmers in the Campfire section where Coloneh didn't say something to the order of. "Take out the Mesmer and replace it with X profession," or, "Mesmers fail in PVE." All I'm saying is consider the source, unless you just enjoy arguing with a brick wall - some do of course.
I say this because it is true. the mesmer, as a PRIMARY PROFESSION, is inferior to other caster primaries in PvE. (excluding a handful of strange areas)
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05   #30
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I say this because it is true. the mesmer, as a PRIMARY PROFESSION, is inferior to other caster primaries in PvE. (excluding a handful of strange areas)
Grothmar Wardowns is a strange area? Have you completed GWEN yet?
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12   #31
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Grothmar Wardowns is a strange area? Have you completed GWEN yet?
I didnt say this area is strange, I didnt eve say it was hard. YOU said it was hard and then pointed me to the wiki page as if this was some sort of explanation. i see there are charr there... so? charr are easy.
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03   #32
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I didnt say this area is strange, I didnt eve say it was hard. YOU said it was hard and then pointed me to the wiki page as if this was some sort of explanation. i see there are charr there... so? charr are easy.
I pointed you to the wiki page because you didn't even know where that is:

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I dont know what area that is, but i can see building a team very easily.
IMBAgon
Rac's paragons + derv
BHA
RC or divert monk
N/Rt
N/something support of some sort

I dont know the area, but that mesmer should be able to handle most anything by switching to wards, a blindbot, an interruptor, a healer, a protter, or even an interrupter.
And your build failed.
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Old Apr 15, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25   #33
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And your build failed.
Give a reason. stop trolling
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