Curse

Bront · Apr 30, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by snaek

sowrie....
but all of teh builds posted thus far look pretty bad

ur better off lookin at pvxwiki

LOL

Seriously, have a specific suggestion? Mind taking enough time to spell and type correctly?

There are some fine working build here, and some less than fine builds here, but you;ll get the same on PvX.

кιωι · May 01, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

[word of healing] [dwayna's kiss] [cure hex] [protective spirit] [guardian]or[aegis] [glyph of lesser energy] [heal party] [resurrection chant]
I use that if i want a mix, or if you want pure heal swap our prot spirit and guardian for [spotless mind] [spotless soul] or anything of your choice

Bront · May 01, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by кιωι

[word of healing] [dwayna's kiss] [cure hex] [protective spirit] [guardian]or[aegis] [glyph of lesser energy] [heal party] [resurrection chant]
I use that if i want a mix, or if you want pure heal swap our prot spirit and guardian for [spotless mind] [spotless soul] or anything of your choice

AI isn't good with Protective Spirit or Guardian in my experience. You're better off with RoF (they aren't great with it, but you'll get something out of it), and Aegis.

Not a huge fan of Heal Party due to the expense, but it works. There are cheaper alternatives that work a little better on heroes in my opinion though. Heroes are good at burning though energy, even with GOLE.

Sierraa · May 02, 2008, 04:51 AM // 04:51

I use boon sig on my heroes, but I generally bring an N/Rt IV/Wail of Doom necro as support for party heals etc.

[Boon Signet][Reversal Of Fortune][Guardian][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Remove Hex][Leech Signet]

I never really have a problem with setting my monk on defend/aggressive since they aggro anyway. There's no real tank (Since I'm usually a caster) and I rarely bring melee heroes. -shrug- Dismiss is kinda meh, my heroes seem to do well with Foul Feast on the necro + dismiss on the monk.

Mickey · May 03, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

[skill]Patient Spirit[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Healer's Boon[/skill][skill]Healing Seed[/skill]
[skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Waste Not Want Not[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]
I dun bring a hard res because no one ever dies.

10 Inspiration
12+1+1 Prot
8+1 Divine

Grammar · May 03, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bront

AI isn't good with Protective Spirit or Guardian in my experience. You're better off with RoF (they aren't great with it, but you'll get something out of it), and Aegis.

Not a huge fan of Heal Party due to the expense, but it works. There are cheaper alternatives that work a little better on heroes in my opinion though. Heroes are good at burning though energy, even with GOLE.

Actually, heroes are better with Guardian than they are with RoF. And you're right about them sucking with Prot Spirit.

If I had to rank hero monk's ability with prots, it would look something like this:
1. Aegis
2. Shield of Absorption, Shielding Hands
3. Guardian
4. RoF
5. Prot Spirit & Spirit Bond (MUST be red-barred and micromanaged)

I always give hero monks Aegis and SoA, and then sometimes Guardian, Shielding Hands, or a red-barred Prot Spirit if I want a third prot in there.

Also, you're right about Heal Party being really bad on a hero, even with GoLE. But I wouldn't agree that the cheaper alternatives (like LoD or Divine Healing) are really worth it. For hero monks, I would recommend just dropping party heals altogether.

ALF71BE · May 03, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Well I finally ended up with:

WoH
Dwayna's Kiss
SoR
Hex Removal
Aegis
SoA
GoLE
Condition Removal

15 healing
10 DF
10 Prot

Don't know what you know think, and was wondering to lower Healing and up Prot to 12 for Aegis to last 10 seconds. The weapoins are the Stonehart and a Prot HSR wand +5e. Further suggestions are accepted of course.

Grammar · May 04, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALF71BE

Well I finally ended up with:

WoH
Dwayna's Kiss
SoR
Hex Removal
Aegis
SoA
GoLE
Condition Removal

15 healing
10 DF
10 Prot

Don't know what you know think, and was wondering to lower Healing and up Prot to 12 for Aegis to last 10 seconds. The weapoins are the Stonehart and a Prot HSR wand +5e. Further suggestions are accepted of course.

That's a pretty standard and effective hero monk build, I see no problems there. I would recommend Cure Hex for your hex remover and Dismiss Condition for your condition remover. The attributes are fine too; they match the skills on your bar (10 prot is needed for the SoA breakpoint). You might want to consider using a minor healing rune instead of a major though, giving you a 14,10,10 attribute spread. But that comes down to personal preference IMO. Many people swear by minor runes, and with good reason, but I don't think it makes too much of a difference in general PvE. Definitely go all minors for PvP, however.

Consider GoLE to be your "optional slot". If you ever wanted to add another skill in there for certain situations, GoLE is what you would drop. Just remember to adjust your attributes accordingly depending on what you add. If you add Guardian, for example, then you need to raise your prot to 11 to meet the breakpoint.

The only thing you need to address now is the weapon.
Heroes are at a bit of a disadvantage because they can't weapon swap like we humans can. As such, I would recommend 1 of 4 options:
1. 40/20 heal staff with 20% enchantments
2. 40/20 prot staff with 20% enchantments
3. 20/20 heal staff with 20% enchantments and +30hp
4. 20/20 prot staff with 20% enchantments and +30hp

You definitely need the 20% enchantments mod because of Aegis and SoA. The only decisions you need to make are: 1. Where would you rather have the cast time bonus, heal or prot?, and 2. Would you rather have two cast time bonuses, or one cast time bonus and an extra +30hp?
Personally, I would go with the first staff that I listed, unless I was worried about their health, which case I would go with the third. My reasoning for choosing healing cast bonuses over prot is that your hero monk will cast heals much more often than prots, but you really can't go wrong either way (especially considering the 2 sec cast on Aegis).
The 40/20 staffs will be a little more expensive because you'll need to craft & mod them yourself. But you can get the 20/20, 20%, +30hp staffs in green: Droknar's Healing Staff (heal), Droknar's Protection Staff (prot), and Jayne's Staff (prot).

Also, generally speaking, you hero monk should have a sup vigor rune (major is fine if you can't afford a sup) and all survivor insignias.

Good luck.

psycore · May 21, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

I use boon sig on my heroes, but I generally bring an N/Rt IV/Wail of Doom necro as support for party heals etc.

[Boon Signet][Reversal Of Fortune][Guardian][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Remove Hex][Leech Signet]

I never really have a problem with setting my monk on defend/aggressive since they aggro anyway. There's no real tank (Since I'm usually a caster) and I rarely bring melee heroes. -shrug- Dismiss is kinda meh, my heroes seem to do well with Foul Feast on the necro + dismiss on the monk.

Does Boon sig actually work?

I noticed my hero refused to use it.

Trinity Fire Angel · May 21, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

still so far all the builds i have seen here don;t work too well on heros. if you want THE BEST hero builds go observe some top hero battles. I am not ranked top 100 in HB but i know quite a lot of people that won;t do 1v1 with heros against me becuase of my heros. I am banned from entering our alliances Hero vs Hero comp coming up for this reason...

oki.. so enuff self pwnage

here are some of the best hero bars you can run at the moment

[build prof=Mo/E name="Divine Prot" Div=12+1 Pro=12+2][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Divine Intervention][Guardian][Shield of Regeneration][Mend Ailment][Shielding Hands][Divine Spirit][Reverse Hex][/build]

An exceptional replacement for [Shield of Regeneration] is [Zealous Benediction] that heros now use very very well due to a recent bug fix a few months back.

This next one is from PVX

[build prof=Mo/A name="PVX HB Monk" Div=7+1 Hea=11+2 Pro=10+1 Sha=7][Word of Healing][Reversal of Fortune][Guardian][Mending Touch][Holy Veil][Shield of Absorption][Dark Escape][Smoke Powder Defense][/build]

Finally One of my own HB variations is the Shadow Glimmer monk

[build prof=Mo/A name="Shadow Patient Glimmer Monk" Div=8+1 Hea=12+2 Pro=9+1 Sha=5][Dwaynas Kiss][Reversal of Fortune][Glimmer of Light][Spotless Soul][Spotless Mind][Smoke Powder Defense][Return][Patient Spirit][/build]

I can do 4 man against the titans no sweat with the Glimmer and ZB Prot monk and a support Rit, R/P or other with myself as an Ele. They work very well and very rarely do they need micro.

As you see, there are no rezzes on the monks. I am a firm beleiver that MONKS DO NOT TAKE REZ. EVER!!!! If they have to stop and rez someone for 6 seconds, then people will die. I tell all my PUGS and friends that my monks don;t rez. People should take rez and leave the monks to heal. If you watch HA, GVG, etc, the monks never take rez. Why should they in PVE? /endrant

Keekles · May 21, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

[patient [email protected]][shield of [email protected]]or[shielding [email protected]][word of [email protected]][dismiss [email protected]][cure [email protected]][protective [email protected]][[email protected]][glyph of lesser [email protected]]

is what I drop on a monk hero if I NEED to bring one. Typically I just take the hench.

XDeadboltX · May 21, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALF71BE

Well I finally ended up with:

WoH
Dwayna's Kiss
SoR
Hex Removal
Aegis
SoA
GoLE
Condition Removal

What is SoR?

horseradish · May 21, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Signet of Rejuvenation.

XDeadboltX · May 21, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

lol I just realise as I was going to check for a response. ty ^_^